Prabhupāda: Yes. So our business is, we should offer this banana to God: "Sir, it is Your creation, it is Your thing. First of all You taste it, then we take it." Then you become in peace. And if you falsely think that, "I have created this banana tree. I have worked so hard. Now the fruit is there. Now I am the enjoyer," then you are mistaken. Then next statement is, bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ sarva-loka maheś . . . (BG 5.29), "I am the proprietor of everything in the world." Now, beginning of this world, bhūmi, land, this land, they're claiming this land Indonesian, this land American, this land Indian. But has the Indonesians or the Africans or the Indians created this land? Who has created this land?
Guest (2): God.
Prabhupāda: God. Then He must be proprietor. But we are falsely claiming, "I am the proprietor." So how you can be in peace? Suppose you steal something, somebody's property, and falsely claim, "I am proprietor," you'll never be peace, because it is not your thing; you have stolen it. So in this way, if you philosophically study that God is the Supreme Proprietor, tena tyaktena bhuñjīthāḥ (ISO 1), you can simply use what is given to you. You cannot claim other's property. Just like in animal life, animal life, they do not claim "This is my country." The birds, they do not claim, but they live very peacefully. There are crows, there are spa . . . what is called? So many birds, they live anywhere, everywhere, but they do not claim, "Oh, this is my country. This is my place." They do not claim. Therefore they are free to move everywhere.
So we have created a situation, godless situation; therefore we are not in peace. So therefore, if you want peace, you must accept God, first of all. Suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ jñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati (BG 5.29). This is the way of śānti. You cannot create your śānti in your own way. That is not possible. Just like the citizens, if they create their own way of śānti, there cannot be peace. If they abide by the orders of the government, by the laws of the government, there will be peace. This is crude example. Similarly, if we do not accept God in the center as the Supreme Proprietor and the Supreme Enjoyer and the Supreme Friend, then there is no peace. This is the problem, I have given in the . . . what is that? Read it?
- bhoktāraṁ yajña-tapasāṁ
- suhṛdaṁ sarva-bhūtānāṁ
- jñātvā māṁ śāntim ṛcchati
- (BG 5.29)
Translation: "The sages, knowing Me as the ultimate purpose of all sacrifices and austerities, the Supreme Lord of all planets and demigods and the benefactor and well-wisher of all living entities, obtain peace from the pangs of material miseries."
Devotee: "The conditioned souls in the clutches of the illusory energy are all anxious to attain peace in the material world. They do not know the formula for peace, which is explained in this part of the Bhagavad-gītā. The greatest peace formula is simply this: Lord Kṛṣṇa is the beneficiary in all human activities. Men should offer everything to the transcendental service of the Lord because He is the proprietor of all planets and the demigods thereon. No one is greater than He. He is greater than the greatest of the demigods, Lord Śiva and Lord Brahmā."
"In the Vedas the Supreme Lord is described as param īśvarānāṁ paramaṁ maheśvaram. Under the spell of illusion, living entities are trying to be lords of all they survey. But actually they are dominated by the material energy of the Lord. The Lord is the master of material nature, and the conditioned souls are under the stringent rules of material nature."
Prabhupāda: That is the defect. Lord is the master of material nature, and we are conditioned by the material nature, and still we are claiming, "I am God." Then?
Devotee: "Unless one understands these bare facts, it is not possible to achieve peace in the world, either individually or collectively. This is the science of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The Lord Kṛṣṇa is the supreme predominator, and all living entities, including the great demigods, are His subordinates. One can attain peace . . . perfect peace only in complete Kṛṣṇa consciousness."
"In the Fifth Chapter is the practical explanation of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, generally known as karma-yoga. The question of mental speculation as to how karma-yoga can give liberation is answered herewith. To work in Kṛṣṇa consciousness is to work with the complete knowledge that the Lord is the predominator. Such work is not different from transcendental knowledge."
"Direct Kṛṣṇa consciousness is bhakti-yoga, and jñāna-yoga is the path leading to bhakti-yoga. Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to work in full knowledge of one's relationship with the Supreme Absolute, and the perfection of this consciousness is full knowledge of Kṛṣṇa, or the Supreme Personality of Godhead."
"A pure soul is the eternal servant of God as His fragmental part and parcel. He comes into contact with māyā, illusion, due to the desire to lord it over māyā. And that is the cause of his many sufferings. As long as he is in contact with matter he has to execute work in terms of material necessities. Kṛṣṇa consciousness, however, brings one into spiritual life even while he is within the jurisdiction of matter, for it is an arousing of spiritual existence by practice in the material world."
"The more one is advanced, the more he is free from the clutches of matter. The Lord is not partial toward anyone. Everything depends on one's practical performance of duties in an effort to control the senses and conquer the influence of desire and anger. And attaining Kṛṣṇa consciousness by controlling the above-mentioned passions, one remains factually in the transcendental stage of brahma-nirvāṇa."
"The eight-fold yoga mysticism is automatically practiced in Kṛṣṇa consciousness because the ultimate purpose is served. There's a gradual process of elevation in the practice of yama, niyama, āsana, pratyāhāra, dhyāna, dhāraṇā, prāṇāyāma and samādhi. But these only preface perfection by devotional service, which alone can award peace to the human being. It is the highest perfection of life."
Prabhupāda: Therefore in another place it is stated, bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate (BG 7.19): "After many, many births, when actually becomes wise, jñānavān, māṁ prapadyate, he surrenders unto Me." That is the perfection of knowledge.
So this is . . . this Bhagavad-gītā is the only source of scientific knowledge of God and our relationship with God. I am very glad that you are already very serious about understanding Bhagavad-gītā. But I request you only that try to understand Bhagavad-gītā without any our man-made interpretation. That will be my request.