Dr. Patel: Sir, I have one point to ask you, that Vyāsa Bhagavān was not satisfied doing all these things, and he finally composed the Bhāgavatam. But even Mahābhārata can be called equal to any of them. Mahābhārata, with the Bhagavad-gītā in . . . With the Vidura-nīti, with the Viṣṇu-sahasra-nāma and all these things can be equal to any other . . .
Prabhupāda: Stri-śūdra-dvija-bandhūnām (SB 1.4.25). It is meant for less intelligent class of men: stri, woman; śūdra; and dvija-bandhu. Dvija-bandhu means persons who are born in high family but they have no education. Just like a man born in brāhmaṇa family . . .
Dr. Patel: Brahma-bandhu.
Prabhupāda: . . . but without education, without qualification, he wants to become a brāhmaṇa. They are called brahma-bandhu or dvija-bandhu. So Mahābhārata is meant for the . . . these persons: stri-śūdra-dvija-bandhunam. They cannot understand directly the Vedic injunctions, therefore it is simplified in a history. Mahābhārata is the history. History and stories, ordinary people they can read with interest. But those who are advanced, they want higher philosophical thoughts. That is Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Dharmaḥ projjhita-kaitavo atra paramo nirmatsarāṇāṁ vāstava-vastu vedyam (SB 1.1.2). Nigama-kalpa-taror galitaṁ phalam idam (SB 1.1.3). It is meant for higher class. So there are different literatures for different persons. Why there are eighteen Purāṇas: sāttvika, rājasika, tāmasika? Those who are tāmasika, for them it is advised . . .
Dr. Patel: Devī Purāṇa.
Prabhupāda: Yes. "Yes, you can eat meat. There is no harm. But you get it sacrificed before Goddess Kālī." But this is not meant for the high-class brāhmaṇa. This is meant for the third-class dvija. But still, he is induced to accept some authority. In this way there are Purāṇas. Somebody is recommended to worship Lord Śiva, somebody is recommended to worship Kālī, Durgā, Sarasvatī, many demigods. But Nārada Muni chastised his disciple that "You have done wrong. Why you have recommended all these things?" Jugupsitam. That is said there, that "People will take your authority, and they will be engaged in worshiping different demigods." Actually that is not required. Then he compiled Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, only the Supreme Lord worshiped. The same thing as Kṛṣṇa explained, mām ekam. That is success. So Vyāsadeva was very much . . .
Dr. Patel: But, sir, mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66), He has already said in Mahābhārata also, you know?
Prabhupāda: Hmm? Yes.
Dr. Patel: He composed Mahābhārata much before he composed Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam.
Prabhupāda: Mahābhārata . . . Gītā is part of Mahābhārata.
Dr. Patel: That is what I said. He has already mentioned that, mām ekam śaraṇaṁ vraja.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: "Those people who are worshiping other devas, they go to the other devas' house, and those who worship Me, they come to Me." Hmm?
Prabhupāda: So that is explained in Śrīmad-Bhāgavata. So if Tīrtha Mahārāja is displaying . . .
Bhāgavata: Yes, Jayapatāka Mahārāja told me he was there. He saw the construction, and it's going to be two stories high, 75 feet long by 30 feet wide, and they're going to have dolls on both floors, Caitanya-līlā.