Śyāmasundara: What did you just define by species? You mean different types of men, you say...
Prabhupāda: The species, definition of species according to biology is different. We say species means jāti, human race.
Śyāmasundara: So four hundred thousand species of humans.
Karandhara: Different levels of consciousness?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Different levels of consciousness.
Śyāmasundara: I see.
Karandhara: And within any species there can an infinite variety of variations of that one species. Just like...
Prabhupāda: Just like the scientists, their species is different. Just like we are making division that 400,000 different types of men. They will say this is one species.
Śyāmasundara: So would you say, for instance, someone who is less intelligent or more intelligent than I am is in a different species?
Prabhupāda: Less intelligent or more intelligent does not make any species, because suppose you have got five children, one is less intelligent, more intelligent.
Śyāmasundara: He was just saying levels of consciousness determine the species.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is levels of consciousness, that just like we divide the human society: some men are brāhmaṇas, some men are kṣatriyas, some men are vaiśyas, that can be found at any time.
Śyāmasundara: Those are species?
Prabhupāda: They are not species, according to their...
Śyāmasundara: They are types of men.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We said varieties.
Śyāmasundara: Then what is the different species of man, separate from me; for instance, what is another species that is different than I am?
Prabhupāda: I do not know exactly the species, but when we, (break) ...means jāti, manuṣya jāti.
Śyāmasundara: I mean what is an example of different species of man. What are they, for example, several species of men?
Prabhupāda: I say that species, this word is not applicable in that sense. In that sense, according to the scientists' species. But when we say species, class you can say. Classes.
Śyāmasundara: Classes. But what, give me an example.
Prabhupāda: Again, just like we are a class—Hare Kṛṣṇa class. Our mentality is different from others.
Śyāmasundara: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Therefore we are a class.
Śyāmasundara: So tribes, more like tribal distinctions?
Prabhupāda: We are not exactly tribal. Culture, by culture.
Śyāmasundara: By interest and culture. I see.
Prabhupāda: By differentiation of culture.
Śyāmasundara: Those are species.
Prabhupāda: Those who are Aryan, non-Aryan; just like I say, they are all human beings, but why you say one Aryan and another non-Aryan? It is difference of culture, that's all.
Devotee: Say, for example, there is the Caucasian race, the Negroid race, different races like that. If they are all living in the same... Say they all join Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, then they are all the same...
Prabhupāda: But Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement is not on the basic principle of this body. It is basically on the soul; therefore you will find everyone same.