Prabhupāda: They are politician. That also . . . all of them are fourth-class men. The fighting is between two section of fourth-class men. They do not know what is first-class man. Although the Bhagavad-gītā is there, they do not know, neither do they care. Just like I was telling, when we propose that, "No illicit sex, no meat eating," they laugh, "Hah! What is that?" But when they are put into trouble, they say, "What to do?" When there is crime they say, "What to do?" They do not know how to tackle the situation because they are all third-class, fourth-class men. They do not know. They become disappointed.
Mrs. Wax: I realize that we're all considered spirit souls. But can a woman be first class if she . . .
Prabhupāda: Anyone can become first class.
Mrs. Wax: Dharma does not . . .
Prabhupāda: Woman can become first class if she is chaste and very much attached to husband. And if the husband is first class, she becomes first class. Because woman's duty is to follow husband. So if the husband is first class, the wife is first class, if she sticks to the husband.
Mrs. Wax: But she can never be first class unless she has a first-class husband.
Prabhupāda: No, she is first class by following faithfully husband. And if the husband is first class, then woman is first class.
Mrs. Wax: Could a woman be a temple president?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not?
Mrs. Wax: Glad to hear it.
Prabhupāda: But because women are less intelligent, they should remain dependent on first-class father, first-class husband and first-class son. Then she is first class. That is the injunction. Woman should remain dependent in childhood upon first-class father, in youthhood upon first-class husband and in old age upon first-class son. Woman is never independent. If she becomes independent, her life is not very good. She must agree to remain dependent on first-class father, first-class husband and first-class son—three stages.
Mrs. Wax: She must become dependent on her son because her husband would ideally become a sannyāsī? Is that . . .?
Prabhupāda: Yes. You will find that Kapiladeva is instructing mother. (aside:) That picture you can show her. Third Canto? You see the picture in the cover? The first-class son is instructing mother. Her husband has taken sannyāsa and gone away. The son, first-class son, is instructing mother. That is the book. You will find full instruction to the mother. You can read one of the passages. You can read, Nitāi, what He is instructing to His mother. The mother is questioning and son is answering.