Devotee (2): Will this movement take over the world, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: At least you keep one idea. There is possibility.
Devotee (2): I think it will be very big.
Prabhupāda: That is possible. If we become serious and sincere, then it will go on, undoubtedly.
Devotee (2): See how big it grew just in ten years. Today is our anniversary.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee (2): Our ten year anniversary today. So in ten years we have gotten so big, by geometric progression in 20 years how big will we be? Thousands and thousands of people, chanting and dancing.
Prabhupāda: And there is chance. Simply by chanting you can attract so many people.
Devotee (2): Yes, I think so. They're coming already. You chanted and so many people came.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Already in the, your English vocabulary, in America, actually they use many Sanskrit vocabularies now.
Prabhupāda: What is that? (laughs)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So they believe that (indistinct) is the chairman of religion at Emery University, he told me that in about thirty years or so this, our movement...
Prabhupāda: They're giving back toward meaning.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: You can learn so many... Sanskrit...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Oh, yes. Our students to pick up some Sanskrit words. Ātmā, jīva, like that. He was telling me that in about thirty or forty years our ISKCON, our movement will have a great impact in the social life there.
Prabhupāda: We are giving all, all round enlightenment. Bhagavad-gītā is full of information from all standpoint. Yadā yadā hi dharmasya glānir bhavati (BG 4.7). We are now in such a downtrodden position, the whole human... He must accept. There is... The civilization is doomed. (pause) What do they explain about so many varieties of life? How do they come?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They call by mutation. It's called mutation.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Mutation is... They say DNA molecule is the... called master molecule. But somehow during the course of...
Prabhupāda: Somehow.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Somehow. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Then they're finished. As soon as they "Somehow," it is not science. It is rascaldom. Then it is useless. "Somehow," "Maybe," "Perhaps." (indistinct).
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Somehow there is a mistake in the... (laughs)
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Everything is mistake.
Hari-śauri: Who is making the mistake?
Prabhupāda: We have to hear this thing: "Somehow they have made a mistake."
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Actually it is very controversial. This... I read an article from the university of Berkeley, Berkeley and some other western campuses, saying that now the theory of this mutation by which the different species are formed is very controversial at this time. Because of the knowledge in our molecular biology, now what they have thought that this mutation is the cause of this variegatedness is a misnomer, being complete mistaken.
Prabhupāda: All mistaken. Where is the difference, then how do you experiment in the biological class by dissecting animal body? What is the difference in the composition of social construction, I er, bodily construction. You have to suffer. That's why I have said, there must be (indistinct). The same principle is there. Otherwise how the mosquito fly like this and...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They can make a mosquito but they...
Prabhupāda: No, they cannot make mosquito. They can make 747.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They can make a sample like mosquito.
Prabhupāda: No... They cannot, they cannot. That is my challenge. That first of all you bring life from the egg. You prepare a egg composition, and put it in the incubator and let some living entity come out. So can they do it? So why they will speak all nonsense?
Yadubara: They admit they can't do it.
Prabhupāda: Then they are rascal. What they cannot do, they're speaking lots of and getting Nobel prize.
Yadubara: They say how in the future they can.
Prabhupāda: How cheating.