Prabhupāda: You see, Madhva... (break) They are supplementary to the Vedas.
Dr. Patel: These are the agamas and nigamas.
Prabhupāda: This is the Māyāvādī's version. They do not accept the Purāṇas. This is Māyāvādī version. But our paramparā system, Madhvācārya, he has accepted Purāṇas, Rāmāyaṇa, Mahābhārata, as Vedic literature. So we have to follow the ācārya. Ācāryavān puruṣo... Yes. Not only Madhvācārya, all, all other ācāryas.
Indian man (2): Ācārya, ṛṣis, they have got all different...
Dr. Patel: But those people are following Śaṅkarācārya...
Prabhupāda: Yes, but Śaṅkarācārya accepted Bhagavad-gītā. Then... He commented, and he accepted Kṛṣṇa.
Dr. Patel: His commentation is different, you see.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no. He has accepted Kṛṣṇa, sa bhagavān svayaṁ kṛṣṇaḥ. He has accepted. You have read, Bhagavad-gītā. He has accepted.
Dr. Patel: Yes, I have read it.
Prabhupāda: Then why the Śaṅkarites will not accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead? (break) ...destructful question that Vedas and Purāṇas...? No. Śaṅkarācārya accepted. If you are real follower of Śaṅkarācārya, you accept Kṛṣṇa as the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
Indian man (2): Śaṅkarācārya also accepted Śiva also. Śiva and Kṛṣṇa is non-different.
Dr. Patel: No, don't say that. (Hindi) (laughter)
Prabhupāda: They worship Viṣṇu. They worship Viṣṇu.
Indian man (2): They worship Viṣṇu but their prime deity is Śaṅkara, and not...
Prabhupāda: No, no. They worship five mūrtis. So they give equal im... Because Śiva is also not ultimate. Śaṅkarācārya's thesis is "Ultimately, the Absolute Truth is nirākāra." Not even Śiva. Therefore, either Śiva or Viṣṇu or Gaṇeśa, the same thing, same thing. They are not sticking with the Śiva form. They worship Viṣṇu form, also Gaṇeśa, as it is recommended in that book. (break) The difference is there. That difference is there. But we have to take which is correct.
Indian man (2): According to their realizations, you see.
Prabhupāda: No, no. We have to take which is correct.
Indian man (2): Who can take... You see, I... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...if you know which ācārya is correct.
Indian man (2): Oh which ācārya. So if your conscience... (break)
Prabhupāda: Ācārya means one. Ācārya... Just like Vedavyasa. Vedavyasa. (Indian man talking in background) (break) Now, then you must know what is God. That is God.
Indian man (2): So why talk about ācāryas and why discuss these things?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Why discuss not? Discussion must be there to understand. First of all, if God is...
Indian man (2): There should be no uncompromising attitude regarding other's views. You see we must have our attitude of brotherhood. (break)
Prabhupāda: What Vyāsadeva says? That is described in the...
Dr. Patel: What Vyāsadeva says. Different ācāryas' interpretation...
Prabhupāda: No, no. There is no interpretation. How can you interpret?
Indian man (2): (break) ...follow ācārya. You see... (break)
Prabhupāda: Ācārya means not foolishly.
Indian man (2): Foolishly? There should be rational outlook. Yes, I agree with you. There should be rational outlook about all these things, and then, you see...
Prabhupāda: Vyāsadeva says, Vyāsadeva says that, in his all writing, oṁ namo bhagavate vāsudevāya.
Indian man (2): That is all right.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam (SB 1.3.28). Kṛṣṇas tu bhagavān svayam.
Indian man (2): Śivo 'ham. Śivo 'ham.
Prabhupāda: Śivo 'ham is another thing.
Indian man (2): No, that is also there, you see. You can't forget that... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...when require first of all. If you... (Hindi) Interpretation when required, when you cannot understand. But if you understand, why should you interpret?
Indian man (2): No, he has interpreted.
Prabhupāda: No, no, first of all, let us understand where interpretation is required.
Dr. Patel: When there is a difficulty in understanding.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No. When there is difficulty in understanding. But when there is no difficulty in understanding, then why there is interpretation? (break) ...by Kṛṣṇa in the Eleventh Chapter, where is the difficulty to understand?
(break) There is no need of interpretation. Now, suppose Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī mām (BG 18.65).
Indian man (2): Then why these ācāryas have interpretated Gītā?
Prabhupāda: No, no, real ācārya will not interpret. The one who is false ācārya, he will interpret.
Indian man (2): So Śaṅkarācārya was not a false ācārya. He has interpreted Gītā. He has got a big bhāṣya of Gītā. Rāmānujācārya has got a big bhāṣya of Gītā. (break)
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)
Dr. Patel: This is the real thing, what the Vedas say, that even though, after studying all and after you think that you are realized, though in keno... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...wasting your time.
Dr. Patel: No, we are not wasting our time. Still I may tell you sir, that we are not wasting our time.
Prabhupāda: No, if you read, then why you are wasting time?
Dr. Patel: This is my interpretation. (break)
Prabhupāda: No, no. I am not realized. No, no, no. No, no, no. I have realized... (break) ...should stop discussing Bhagavad-gītā because Bhagavad-gītā begins, evaṁ paramparā.
Indian man (2): (shouting unintelligibly)
Prabhupāda: No, no. (break) ...as the ācārya. And we have to accept.
Dr. Patel: What I mean to say that realized people don't criticize because final proof nobody knows. (break)
Prabhupāda: Sarvārhanam acyutejyā. Simply by worshiping Kṛṣṇa, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65), you can worship everyone. There is no need of separately worshiping the five devatās. There is no need.
Girirāja: (reads synonyms for Bg. 11.13) "Translation: At that time Arjuna could see in the universal form of the Lord the unlimited expansions of the universe situated in one place although divided into many, many thousands."
Prabhupāda: Yes. So, although... Now, what is important? The many, many thousands universes divided into varieties of opulences, that is important or Kṛṣṇa important?
Dr. Patel: Kṛṣṇa is important.
Prabhupāda: That's it.
Dr. Patel: The whole thing was ekāṁśena sthito jagat.
Prabhupāda: That is being explained.
Dr. Patel: Shall I go further?
Prabhupāda: Yes.