Prabhupāda: The point is that these daityas are elected by the daityas.
Dr. Patel: Now, sometimes even they were liked, the daityas. When they have the samudra-mathana, even the devas went to the daityas to help them. So it is... I mean, that is not so. We have to take the help of daityas for a good work. But they are frustrating us. How is the argument? All right?
Prabhupāda: No. Because there are no more available devas, therefore daityas are the only...
Dr. Patel: We are like that. These rascals, you see, they have got no sense of proportion. There are two dozen mosques come up in this area without any reason in any way. And they are upset when there is construction of a Hindu temple. They are majority. So they are daityas. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...required... They, they, they required. We are...
Dr. Patel: They are thinking themselves to be qualified.
Prabhupāda: We are... We are...
Dr. Patel: What do... They are getting qualified every day by madeira (?). And what other things which I don't want to talk to you. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: So when it is mixed, it is called varṇa-saṅkara. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: Well, the varṇa-saṅkaras are more strong today than the pure saṅkaras. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...question, I shall try to answer.
Trivikrama: Give you a question?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Dr. Patel: Yeah. I have taken out a śloka from Bhagavad-gītā for you. And my friends always tells me not to put it before you because it will create a sort of a hot discussion. But I am going to put it.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Dr. Patel: It is this... Ye 'py... Bolo.
Guest (2) (Indian man): Ye 'py anya... (break)
Dr. Patel: ...mām. Ye 'py anya-devatā
Guest (2): Bhaktāḥ.
Dr. Patel: Ye 'pi bhaktāḥ. Nei. Bhajante, śraddhayānvitāḥ, te 'pi mām eva bhajante, te 'pi mām eva kaunteya yajanty avidhi-pūrvakam. They are also bhajanti, avidhi-pūrvakam. I mean, no doubt, they also, all, all who worship go to Kṛṣṇa's feet.
Prabhupāda: Just like, just like if you want to give me some food to eat. So you should give me to my mouth, not to my rectum. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: But they are doing it now. We are giving enema. We treat with enema in America. (laughs) He said, he said that don't give these things to him because...
Prabhupāda: No, no. That is, this is the reason: To give one food, there is the only one mouth. You cannot say, "Because there are so many holes, any hole."
Dr. Patel: But that is not the real..., I mean, real argument that you give...
Prabhupāda: No, no, that's right.
Dr. Patel: But my question is...
Prabhupāda: Avidhi-pūrvakam.
Dr. Patel: No, but they're...
Prabhupāda: That is avidhi-pūrvakam.
Dr. Patel: Avidhi-pūrvakam. But also, still, they are worshiping God.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Everyone is part and parcel of God, but everyone is not God. That is the way. That any hole of my body, that is my body. But when food is to be taken, it is only this, not another, other hole. That is the way. (break) ...and if you are saying like that... Just like... Here... When you...
Dr. Patel: But it is of the... is doing that to you also. Why do you worry about it?
Prabhupāda: No, no. When the...
Dr. Patel: We can give it in the vein also.
Prabhupāda: No, no. (laughter.) That is not the way. That is avidhi-pūrvakam.
Dr. Patel: But... Listen. That is why I say, disease or no disease, vidhi's going to help your body and bring you nutrients, even given by intravenously or by rectum or by mouth. By any way.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no, no.
Dr. Patel: But they are going to... He's going to...
Prabhupāda: This is... This is for the nonsense. You see.
Dr. Patel: Having the... Why nonsense now?
Prabhupāda: No, no. If the way is this, that food should be taken within the mouth...
Dr. Patel: But this is also... This is what is said by Kṛṣṇa, by Himself in Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. Avidhi-pūrvakam. Everything is sevā, but avidhi-pūrvakam.
Dr. Patel: It may be sevā, but...
Prabhupāda: Just like Kaṁsa. Kaṁsa was thinking of Kṛṣṇa always. But he's not a devotee. Avidhi-pūrvakam. No, that...
Dr. Patel: But he was not a bhakta. He was an enemy.
Prabhupāda: No, no. No, no. Therefore... He was thinking of Kṛṣṇa, but still, he's not a devotee.
Dr. Patel: But here is the question of devotee: ye 'py anya-devatā-bhaktāḥ bhajante mām avidhi-pūrvakam. Bhakta. They are bhaktas, not enemies.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Bhakta. One who worships God, he's a bhakta. Just like sometimes you have to go to the chief minister through his cāparāsī. But the cāparāsī is not the chief minister.
Dr. Patel: That's right. But a chief minister gets pleased through the cāparāsī. All right. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: But if you, if you say...
Dr. Patel: Not my argument it is, eh? This is the argument.
Prabhupāda: No, no. This is wrong argument. You see... Just like our Hadaji Batlar (?), he was...
Dr. Patel: Now, how would it be wrong argument, sir? We are following the same process. We collected those foodstuffs... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...commissioner is not the politician. Why do you mix them?
Dr. Patel: But Kṛṣṇa was never a politician. He was a...
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. That is a wrong theory. This is a wrong theory. You can approach somebody through somebody, but they are two, individual persons. (break) ...He is bhakta, yes.
Dr. Patel: "I am enjoyer of all the yajñas to whom, whatever and to whomever you are doing." How would you accept that...
Prabhupāda: No, no. The king. The king is the proprietor of all taxes. But he's not a tax collector.