Paramahaṁsa: No.
Prabhupāda: Then why does he say?
Paramahaṁsa: But this whole universe—we cannot compare the whole universe with any machine created by man.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Why you bring man? This machine is created and being operated by God.
Paramahaṁsa: Well, we don't have any experience of such a machine.
Prabhupāda: Huh? What do you mean by machine. First of all define what is your idea of machine. Just like the other day we saw, we saw the Thompson place, being printed, being collected, and so many things are being done. It is like this. By machine the seasonal changes are going on, the sun is rising, the moon is rising, the water in the ocean, the waves are there. Everything, machine working. It is machine. Everything being systematically done. Such a big ocean, vast water, it is just on the brink, no more. It is so organized. The sun is rising exactly in time, astronomically. The astronomical watch is one ten-thousandth part of a second. It is so accurate. You'll find everything is going on. (break) Today is ekādaśī, eleventh day of the moon, the moon shall be like this. There one can see the moon and he can calculate. "Today is ekādaśī." This is not machine? It is exactly, machine.