Prabhupāda: You'll get everything, men and money both.
Hayagrīva: Have you any plans yet to go to England? Is anything definite?
Prabhupāda: Yes. That plan is pending. But I have just now received letter from Mukunda that they are negotiating three houses. Out of that, one they must get. And if they invite me, then I shall go. That is already settled. But I don't wish to go unless they have got their own house. I have waited so long, so I don't wish to go as a third person. I must go . . . just like I have come here definite, New Vrindaban; similarly, when they get nice temple, I go and open it.
Kīrtanānanda: Then it may be some time yet.
Prabhupāda: (chuckles) And that Mātājī, she has taken land. I don't like that idea. Some Hindus are supporting. I don't want a Hindu temple. Our constitution is different. We want everyone. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is for everyone. It is not a Hindu propaganda. People may not misunderstand. And actually, till now in our Society there is not a single other Hindu than me. (laughter) Is that not? Is there any Hindu?
Devotee: Sarvesvar?
Prabhupāda: Sarvesvar, he is not living in the temple.
Satyabhāmā: Gopāla Kṛṣṇa in Montreal.
Prabhupāda: Gopāla Kṛṣṇa, yes. Yes.
Hayagrīva: Gopāla Kṛṣṇa? Where is he?
Prabhupāda: He is in Montreal.
Satyabhāmā: And Malvani. Malvani, the old man.
Prabhupāda: Malvani, he is not disciple.
Satyabhāmā: He's living in the house.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He is living, and he is doing service. He is almost disciple. Yes. He came to Buffalo and Boston. But I don't think he can follow the four principles. He is meat-eater, because his family eats meat.
Kīrtanānanda: I've never been able to figure that out, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Kīrtanānanda: The Hindus, they think it is such a tremendous thing to give up meat-eating, and here we have been raised with meat-eating, and we have no problem whatever. To us it is nothing to give up . . .
Prabhupāda: No. There is no problem for Vaiṣṇava here in India (America). They are not trained. They are simply . . . just like there are so many Christians, practically they are not following. Similarly, these Hindus at the present moment, they are in name. Either Hindus, Muslim, or . . . they are in name only.
Kīrtanānanda: There's no real substance.
Prabhupāda: No.
Kīrtanānanda: When one starts tasting the real substance, then there is no problem giving up any of the . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. When he gives importance to Kṛṣṇa, he can sacrifice everything for Kṛṣṇa. That is another state. That is not ordinary stage. That is transcendental state. Yes.