Prabhupāda: ...day one Hindi gentleman came. He presented a picture, India's map, and all the whole India is full of avatāras: Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, this, that. This is India.
Dr. Patel: They might be vibhūtis. You can call them, but...
Prabhupāda: No, no, same thing. What vibhūtis they have got? Vibhūti of cheating, that's all. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: They are vibhūti anyhow.
Prabhupāda: They have got some vibhūti, how to cheat. This vibhūti they have got.
Trivikrama: He was serious? He was serious about the map?
Prabhupāda: Yes. He came to me to support this movement. What is this nonsense map, all cheaters pictured here? All Bhagavān, so many thousands of Bhagavāns. Vibhūti of cheating, that's all.
Dr. Patel: Yad yad vibhūtimat sattvam.
Prabhupāda: That vibhūti you have got also.
Dr. Patel: Whatever it may be.
Prabhupāda: All right. Even an ant has got.
Dr. Patel: And that means if you... A bigger ant. There are in South America are some ants, you know, big.
Prabhupāda: So that is... That... That gift is given by God to everyone. That does not mean one is Bhagavān.
Jagadīśa: Kṛṣṇa says, "I am the cheating of cheats."
Prabhupāda: Yes. [break]
Dr. Patel: The greatest (indistinct) is being carried out here in Bombay some fifty miles away by this Muktananda Swami. His statue is being worship as, in place of God by...
Prabhupāda: Sai Baba is also. Sai Baba is also doing, Satya Sai.
Dr. Patel: They say that they are worshiping the guru as God. And why not as their guru?
Prabhupāda: Rajaneesh. Rajneesh
Dr. Patel: Rajneesh calls himself Bhagavān, that man.
Prabhupāda: He also says, "Bhagavān."
Dr. Patel: He's doing a sort of mass hypnotism to my mind. Psychologically I try to analyze him.
Prabhupāda: Without analyzing, we take him as rogue. (laughter) That's all.
Dr. Patel: You... I, being a scientist, try to analyze. This is my nature.
Hari-śauri: Analysis is our nature, he said.
Dr. Patel: I try to analyze you also, sir. I try to analyze you.
Prabhupāda: No, our analysis is..., analytical process, is very simple.
Dr. Patel: (laughing) I did it. And when I tried...
Trivikrama: What is that process, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: The process: if one is not kṛṣṇa-bhakta, he's a rogue.
Hari-śauri: Duṣkṛtina, mūḍha, narādhama...
Prabhupāda: Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15). Bas, finished analysis. As soon as we see that he is not a devotee of Kṛṣṇa, he must be a rogue. That's all. Duṣkṛtina, sinful. That's all.