Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right. So many things, everything. Yeah, practically this whole civilization now is a cheating civilization.
Prabhupāda: Whatever name you can give, it is not civilization. That we have to... Not that "How they are cheating." But it is not human civilization; it is animal. Just as animals cheat naturally. Animal fight. So we have to prove this is animal civilization. (Bengali or Hindi) This is not human civilization. Without Kṛṣṇa consciousness it is not human civilization. That we have to prove. How it is not? You have to prove that "This is animal civili... This is not human civili..." Real human business is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's para-upakāra. In ignorance they are doing all nonsense. Stop them. Give them knowledge. This Kṛṣṇa conscious movement is real civilization. That we have to prove. It is clearly stated in... Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15). Anyone who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious-duṣkṛtina, simply cheating. And therefore narādhama, lowest of the mankind. And human life he's spoiling by cheating like animal. Who cheats? The man who doesn't care for the authority. He cheats. And if a man is afraid of law and government, he does not cheat. So godless person means cheater.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So fear is a principle of control which...
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, certainly.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But the higher principle would be love. That's our...
Prabhupāda: Yes. (Bengali) Breakfast. (Bengali)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What does this isabgol do?
Prabhupāda: The dysentery tendency can be stopped.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The problem nowadays is that although the controlling agencies, the police force, they are supposed...
Prabhupāda: They are cheater.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They themselves are cheaters.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Cheater. The government is cheater; the government men, they should be honest?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. Therefore how can the citizens be honest?
Prabhupāda: Why Indira Gandhi is condemned? She was cheating.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nixon too.
Prabhupāda: Everyone. And what is guarantee they will not do, this present government?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So force in this age is finished as means a for influencing honesty. Force will not work, because the leaders are dishonest. Then we have to teach the principle of love.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu didn't kill. He did not kill Jagāi and Mādhāi. 'Cause Kṛṣṇa killed, but in this age that principle of love...
Prabhupāda: And if you kill, then wholesale will be killed. No... There will be no candidate for learning. You have to kill everyone. That will be at the end, Kalki-avatāra, simply killing, bas, finish. They'll have no capacity to understand. Nowadays there are... They cannot understand this philosophy. But there are some, they are trying to understand. But at the end of Kali-yuga there will be no brain to understand or to hear all these things. Mleccha. That is mleccha. Mleccha means they are so unclean, unstandardized, they have no brain. That is Europe, America. That's ... Mleccha. Kill animals. Eat. Mleccha, they are, according to Vedic, untouchable. If you touch, then you infect.