Indian man (3): Lord Kṛṣṇa was the greatest man ever born. He was not God.
Indian man (2): You see, he has got the principles of Ārya-samāj. Ārya-samājī. Because he is . . . "Everybody is God." That is his . . . they are brainwashed. Brainwash is there.
Prabhupāda: What is God? Let us have, understand.
Indian man (3): God has no form.
Prabhupāda: Why?
Indian man (3): Why? Because that is a principle.
Prabhupāda: Why?
Indian man (3): That's the principle.
Prabhupāda: That is your principle.
Indian man (3): He has given all the principles, and these principles they taught us . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, no. You say God has no form.
Indian man (3): Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is your principle, not others'. You cannot say that is the principle. That is your principle.
Indian man (3): But, sir, there are certain principles laid down.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Indian man (3): And He Himself also cannot break those principles.
Prabhupāda: What is this principle? You have got form, and God has no form?
Indian man (3): Yes.
Prabhupāda: What God has done, fault?
Indian man (3): If He will take form, then He is just a . . .
Prabhupāda: That is your word.
Indian man (3): That is what we are.
Prabhupāda: No, no. That is your word.
Indian man (3): According to philosophy. It is not my philosophy . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is your philosophy.
Indian man (3): It is not my philosophy.
Prabhupāda: Because just like you say, "God has no form," we say, "God has form." That is your philosophy.
Indian man (3): Then we have to find out.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Then we have to discuss whether God has form or no form. That will be philosophy. That will be philosophy. If you say, "God has no form," if I say: "God has form," then I don't fol . . .
Indian man (3): God is sarva-vyāpaka. He cannot be sarva-vyāpaka if He takes form.
Prabhupāda: No, that is your thinking. You do not know what is meant by sarva-vyāpaka.
Indian man (4): Sarva-vyāpaka means everywhere
Prabhupāda: That you do not know how . . . just like the sun is sarva-vyāpaka. Is it not?
Indian man (3): What is that?
Prabhupāda: Sun, the sunshine, yes, it is . . . we call now it is day. Just hear. This is day because the sunlight is there. At night we don't say it is day. Is it not?
Indian man (3): "We" means actually. . .
Prabhupāda: Any of. . . every one of us.
Indian man (3): When we don't see, then we say that it is not there.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Yes.
Indian man (3): Sun is not. . . Sun, of course, is there, but light is not there.
Prabhupāda: Hear. The light. . . as soon as the light is there, you understand the sun is there. Is it not?
Indian man (3): Yes, sun is there. (break)
Prabhupāda: Wherefrom the light is coming? From the sun. But you see the sun has form. So from the form the light is coming. So the light is sarva-vyāpaka
Indian man (3): If it is sarva-vyāpaka . . .
Prabhupāda: Let me finish. Light is sarva-vyāpaka.