Prabhupāda: We cannot compromise. Knowledge is knowledge. It cannot be changed because there is secular, pecular and . . . (indistinct) . . . it cannot be changed. Knowledge is knowledge. Just like this asmin dehe dehino 'smin. What is secular knowledge? It is knowledge for everyone. Within this body the active principle is there. And the secular knowledge says: "No, no, the active principle is outside." We have to accept it? Knowledge is knowledge. Two plus two is equal to everyone, everywhere. It is four.
Mr. Koshi: But those who do not subscribe to this process . . .
Prabhupāda: Who do not subscribe, if they say "five," shall we have to take it?
Mr. Koshi: No, I agree. I agree.
Prabhupāda: Then why . . .? What is this? This is nonsense. Two plus two equal to four. It will be accepted by everyone. Every scientist, every mathematician. And if by vote, secular state, "It is five" or "It is six," shall we have to accept it? We have to accept knowledge as it is. Why you say secular or not secular?
Mr. Koshi: No, I think it is a question of accepting a concept of . . .
Prabhupāda: No concept. It is science. It is not . . . try to understand this. "Two plus two" is science. It is not concept.
Mr. Koshi: I know that. But let us look at it this way. You are saying that Kṛṣṇa is important, but somebody else says that somebody else is important, so that is . . .
Prabhupāda: If Kṛṣṇa is important, why shall He not be taken? If somebody says . . .
Mr. Koshi: If somebody else says that Jack is important . . .
Prabhupāda: Somebody. What is that somebody? Is he a scientist? Is he a philosopher? Is he advanced? Any loafer-class man can say anything.