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We are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is, the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe the life, life comes from matter...

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Conversations and Morning Walks

1973 Conversations and Morning Walks

Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is, the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe the life, life comes from matter...


Conversation with Sridhara Maharaja -- June 27, 1973, Navadvipa:

Śrīla Prabhupāda: . . . the United States.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Three in America.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Three in America.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Another three, Another . . .?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Another three in Europe.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Three in Europe. Six.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: One in India.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: India, one.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes.

(aside) (Bengali: It will fall down.) Why you are keeping there?

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: India, one. Seven.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Seven. And Africa, one.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: One.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Eight.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (Bengali: Eight.)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: And one, Australia.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Australia.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: New Zealand.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (Bengali: Nine. One in New Zealand.)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: And one . . .

Bhavānanda: Canada.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Canada.

Devotee: Africa and South America.

Bhavānanda: Ah, yes, South America.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: South America.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (Bengali: Another one? South America. Where in South America?)

Bhavānanda: Australia and Southeast Asia also.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Argentina.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Argentina.

Devotee: And Japan. Japan.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Japan includes now . . .

Devotee: Western United States.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Western.

Bhavānanda: Western United States?

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. Including Hawaii and Japan. (Bengali: Japanese people are very favourable.)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: (indistinct) . . . (Bengali: What about Russia?) . . . (indistinct)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Russiate (at Russia), there is big lokat. I have got a student there. They are very much strict about religious things. When I went to Moscow . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Well, reaction will come.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Reaction already come. They do not . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Sure to come . . . reaction, reaction.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: So they found one of my Bhagavad-gītā . . . in immigration. So immediately he called police. (laughs) Then he, he examined. He allowed, "All right, it is all right. It is such a rubbish." But they are not very happy country, as they advertise.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: What is happiness? God is happiness. "Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi . . ."

Prabhupāda: Now, apart from materially, they're poor.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja:

janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-
duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam
(BG 13.9)

Śrīla Prabhupāda: This is . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . anudarśanam. So they are poor in intelligence. This is sattvic intelligence. "Janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi-duḥkha-doṣānudarśanam"

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Anudarśanam.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Devoid of higher kind of intelligence.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: The Russian professor . . .

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: And the scientific fineness, that is also in the jurisdiction of matter. But a more subtle and subtler knowledge is possible.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Now we are presenting through two of my scientific students, Doctor of Chemistry, that matter is . . . the source of matter is spirit. This is our theory. Generally they believe that life, life comes from matter.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Life comes from matter.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Matter. But we are presenting, "No, matter comes from life."

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Apparently. This is not appropriate. This is Vedānta. Vedānta . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: I say, just as there is excema in the healthy body, this material world is an excema . . . expect in the healthy body.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Yes. Material, material atmosphere means diseased condition.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Diseased condition, very negligent or diseased condition, very negligent part, forming very negligent part of the whole, this material world, where creation and dissolution is compulsory.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Bhūtvā bhūtvā pralīyate (BG 8.19)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Creation and the dissolution is compulsory. That is a negligent portion of the real universe.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Ekāṁśena . . . (BG 10.42)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Otherwise, if a major portion of a body is bad, then that cannot stand. So the major portion of the universe must be healthy, wholesome. And the negligent part is the diseased portion. That is the world, where the majority lives.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: One-fourth part.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: The possession of Satan. It is under possession of Satan. Satan means having (Bengali: Perverted knowledge.) That is misunderstanding.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Perverted.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Misunderstanding is perverted. Misunderstanding is set out. Understanding is there, but it is perverted.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Dehātma-buddhiḥ . . . (SB 10.84.13)

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dehātma . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Dehātma-buddhiḥ.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Dehātma-buddhiḥ. Rather, rather the enjoying principles, offensive.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Sense gratification.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Enjoying mood. That is the basis of this. And mood of renunciation, that is a vapour state. That is nothing only. And the real life is the life of self-dedication and service. And the service not of any part. Or service not for any part which is like me, but for the whole, for the Divinity. As Kṛṣṇa says in Gītā:

athavā bahunaitena
kiṁ jñātena tavārjuna
viṣṭabhyāham idaṁ kṛtsnam
ekāṁśena sthito jagat
(BG 10.42)

Who lies . . . whose bed is infinite. Śeṣāśrita, ananta. Infinite gathered together. And though He seems to, to have a figure, but figure that, that sort of figure which can contain many, many number of infinite of our conception. Kṛṣṇa is a figure talking with Arjuna, a limited figure, but Viśvarūpa emerged from Him. How? A big Viśvarūpa emerged from a limited figure? So such limited figure, that is God. Vṛndāvana. Vṛndāvana has been described as only sixty . . . say . . .

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Eighty-four miles.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Thirty-two miles. Thirty-two miles.

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Somebody says eighty-four.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: Āṭhār-krośa Vṛndāvana,

Śrīla Prabhupāda: Ah, Saloka.

Śrīdhara Mahārāja: . . . thirty-two miles. But Paravyoma, which is to be understood as Vaikuṇṭha, means infinite, many of the paravyomas is accommodated there within that thirty-two miles area. Square miles area, or something like that. That, we must be conversant with that sort of understanding. Any number of length of rope coming, but only two fingers less. Only two fingers less. Another big rope added, again that two fingers less. This is all categorical principle. We have to be acquainted with. Then we shall go to read Bhāgavatam . . .