Paramahaṁsa: Last week, Prabhupāda, you may have read that the Russians and the Americans sent up two rockets that met in outer space.
Prabhupāda: Hm, so what is the benefit?
Paramahaṁsa: Well, this is the point, is that... It was called the Soyez flight. In any case, they have announced... They made a joint speech where they said, "Together we can conquer outer space. That is the purpose." So now the Russians and the Americans are trying to get... to combine in their efforts to conquer.
Prabhupāda: Bora bora goye gala rasatala, vetta gore bole katha jala(?). There is a river. The horses, they can swim. So the river was so ferocious and many horses drowned. So one vetta gora, means third-class horse, he said, "How was the water? Let me try."
Paramahaṁsa: (laughing) They all drowned.
Prabhupāda: The vetta gora. These are vetta gora, horses with (remedy?).
Satsvarūpa: But they can point to progress, not that they're all drowning.
Prabhupāda: What is that progress?
Satsvarūpa: Well, people never thought they could reach the moon. Now they think they have.
Prabhupāda: So that is not progress. Progress means when you conquer death. That is progress.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Why is that the only progress?
Prabhupāda: Because whatever you do, death will come and take it. So where is guarantee that you will enjoy?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Relatively we can enjoy.
Prabhupāda: Relatively everyone... The ant also thinking, "I am also some important..." That is Kṛṣṇa's proposal, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi duḥkha-doṣānu... (BG 13.9). You are trying to get out of all kinds of miserable conditions, but here is your real misery, janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi: birth, death, old age... First of all conquer them. Then talk of advance. You cannot conquer even on disease. There are so many persons suffering from disease. You cannot stop it, and you're making progress? What is that progress? It is all rascaldom.