David Lawrence: I feel that students need to be able to see that somebody who is God conscious can really, really enjoy life.
Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Certainly. That is life. This is not life. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. Life means with high qualities. So one who is not God conscious, they cannot have any good qualities. It is not possible. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. He's simply hovering on the mental plane. Asati dhāvato bahiḥ. And he has to come to these non-permanent things, material things. Asati. Asati mā sad gama. The Vedic injunction is, "Don't stick to this asat. Try to come to the sat, eternal." Tamasi mā jyotir gama. These are the... "Don't remain in the darkness. Come to the light."
David Lawrence: That was one track on George's record which really, really got through to our boys, I think. "Light, is it? Light of the World."
Śyāmasundara: "Light, there is, Light of the World." (?)
David Lawrence: Really...
Prabhupāda: So his record has become very successful.
Śyāmasundara: Number one everywhere. In America.
Prabhupāda: Now, even they are appreciating.
David Lawrence: Very successful even with one boy, you see. That's success, isn't it?
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Śyāmasundara: He likes to hear it.
Prabhupāda: "I am in material world."
Śyāmasundara: We get letters from all over the world addressed to George Harrison care of Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Temple London. (laughter) From Poland, from behind the Iron Curtain even. Russia, China, every place, they send.
Prabhupāda: And he has mentioned my Bhagavad-gītā in my name also.
David Lawrence: Yes.
Prabhupāda: In the in...? What is that?
Śyāmasundara: In the insert, in the record insert.
David Lawrence: Yes. In fact, when they picked up my copy of the Bhagavad-gītā As It Is, which was on my desk, two or three boys immediately said, "Ah, that's on the George Harrison L.P."
Prabhupāda: He has very intelligently connected.
David Lawrence: Yes, yes. It was there.
Prabhupāda: This Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement with his...
Śyāmasundara: He doesn't want to do it overtly because they will think he is crazy. So he's doing gradually.
David Lawrence: Very gradually.
Śyāmasundara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: And what is that song, "I am not the same..."?
Śyāmasundara: Something. "I'm not the same..."
Prabhupāda: "I have changed."
David Lawrence: Oh yes. "I've changed."
Śyāmasundara: "Somehow I'm..."
David Lawrence: "Somehow I've changed."
Śyāmasundara: Yes. "My friends all criticize me for the change, but I don't care."
Prabhupāda: But he's not loser. He's gainer. (laughter) He's gainer. That he can understand. And he's determined. He says, "Even if I am loser, I don't mind."
David Lawrence: If commercial success went, he wouldn't worry.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
David Lawrence: Well, I mean these sort of riches is just unfathomable, aren't they?
Prabhupāda: Hm.