Jayapataka: Some people say that "You are coming to India for preaching, but we Indians, we already know all the, about Kṛṣṇa and Rāma. Why don't... You should be preaching in the West, where the people don't know."
Prabhupāda: But you know from the Western people. They are not... They are imitating Western people. You know from the Western people; therefore you have to learn from this Western people this also.
Brahmānanda: They are learning everything else from the Western people, so why not...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śrīdhara: Everyone in India knows the līlā of Kṛṣṇa, but the science of Kṛṣṇa, that they have forgotten.
Prabhupāda: They know līlā of Kṛṣṇa but they do not know Kṛṣṇa. Huh? Who was...? You were telling that Mr. Bajaj, he wants to take the instruction of Kṛṣṇa without Kṛṣṇa.
Girirāja: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Then how you will take this instruction when Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65)? If they do not take Kṛṣṇa, then how this instruction will be taken?
Girirāja: It can't be.
Brahmānanda: Well, rasa-līlā is more important than those instructions. (Prabhupāda laughs)
Yaśomatī-nandana: Actually, the real scholars of Bhagavad-gītā, they admit that later on this Bhagavad-gītā came out, which was stressing more on bhakti.
Prabhupāda: Later on.
Yaśomatī-nandana: Later on. These scholars, these mundane scholars, those who have studied Bhagavad-gītā, they accept that Bhagavad-gītā is based around bhakti principle.
Prabhupāda: So how it came later on?
Yaśomatī-nandana: That they are rascal. That they don't.
Prabhupāda: And what was the beginning?
Yaśomatī-nandana: All these Vedas and everything.
Prabhupāda: No, Bhagavad-gītā? They say, "later on."
Brahmānanda: Who was the first...
Yaśomatī-nandana: He says that it was the Vaisnavites who introduced Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: Then why Śaṅkarācārya has accepted Bhagavad-gītā? He is not a Vaiṣṇava.
Yaśomatī-nandana: That they cannot answer.
Prabhupāda: Then they're foolish.
Yaśomatī-nandana: That they cannot answer.
Prabhupāda: Śaṅkarācārya has accepted Bhagavad-gītā. Śaṅkarācārya accepted Kṛṣṇa the Supreme Lord. Sa bhagavān svaya kṛṣṇaḥ. He has written...
Yaśomatī-nandana: It is like that. They think that Śaṅkarācārya also liked Bhagavad-gītā, but the personal Kṛṣṇa was not very important.
Prabhupāda: No.
Yaśomatī-nandana: According to his bhāṣya, they think like that.
Prabhupāda: No, he has written many prayers on Kṛṣṇa. Bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ bhaja govindaṁ mūḍhā-mate. That means those who are not worshiping Govinda, they are mūḍhā-mati. He is addressing mūḍhā-mati: "You rascal..."
Yaśomatī-nandana: This verse, Śrīla Prabhupāda, vāsudeva sata devam, is also written by him?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Yaśomatī-nandana:
- vasudevaṁ-sutaṁ devaṁ
- kaṁsa-cāṇūra-mardanam
- devakī paramānandaṁ
- kṛṣṇaṁ vande jagat-gurum
Prabhupāda: Maybe, but I do not know.
Yaśomatī-nandana: Because they say, these mundane scholars, that Bhāgavata was after Śaṅkarācārya because he did not write a commentary on Bhāgavata. Because there's a mention of Kaṁsa and Cāṇūra and Vasudeva and Devakī, that means that Śaṅkarācārya did believe in the personal of Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: But Vedavyāsa is after Śaṅkarācārya?
Yaśomatī-nandana: They don't accept it is written by Vedavyāsa.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Yaśomatī-nandana: They don't... They are such atheistic people, they do not accept that it is written by Vedavyāsa.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, but others accept it.
Yaśomatī-nandana: Yes, the vast people do accept.
Prabhupāda: Vedavyāsa is accepted by Śaṅkarācārya. Vyāsadeva. Vyāsa-guru.
Yaśomatī-nandana: They think that some Vaiṣṇava wrote it and put the name of Vedavyāsa. They are so demoniac.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they say like that. Then other ācāryas, they are also fools?
Yaśomatī-nandana: I think they place all the other ācāryas after Śaṅkarācārya.
Prabhupāda: Ācāryas... But their paramparā system is very old. (aside:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...Bhagavad-gītā? No.
Yaśomatī-nandana: They don't accept it as... They do not accept Gītā as spoken by some person Kṛṣṇa five thousand years ago.
Prabhupāda: Anyway, do they accept the authority of Bhagavad-gītā or not?
Yaśomatī-nandana: They say it's a very nice book of knowledge. They don't want to pursue spiritual life.
Prabhupāda: Then why they become authority?
Yaśomatī-nandana: Yes, that is their rascaldom.
Prabhupāda: If they do not accept authority, why they become authority? Who will accept them? If everything is depending on mental speculation, then why they should be accepted as authority?
Yaśomatī-nandana: That they cannot answer. Only insincere people, foolish people, they are misled by them. Otherwise I don't think anybody even knows their philosophy. Everyone knows your philosophy because they see your disciples, and no one goes to read their books. Mostly I see in their books, "First edition, copies, two thousand," "three thousand," something like that. And you never see a second edition.
Prabhupāda: (break) Bhakti-rasāmṛta-sindhu for the last twelve years he was lying idle, and this time he went, and people appreciated so much he was giving delete.(?) He is advertising like that. (end)