Prabhupāda: (Hindi) . . . mandāḥ, all bad men. Mandā sumanda-matayaḥ (SB 1.1.10). And if he is supposed to be a good man, he will manufacture some mata, manda-mata, not approved by the śāstras. This is going on. They will not hear Kṛṣṇa. They will give quotation from Brahma-kumārī. This is the greatest defect of modern civilization, that they won't accept real authority. They will create some authority. Or rascal, he becomes authority. Especially in India, this is the drawback. In the Western countries they do not know much about this. Therefore they accept what I say. But here they bring so many. So such an important man, he is bringing authority Brahma-kumārī, a house of prostitution. If he is bringing their quotation as authority, then what to speak of others? (break) Just like that Christian convent house. They supply woman to rich men, and they supply money. That's all. This is Brahma-kumārī. Rich man, the same disease is there—yan maithunādi-gṛhamedhi-sukha hi tuccham (SB 7.9.45). So if they get facility for some maithuna, they will give you money. (Hindi) . . . prostitute, procurement house. Hmm? Brahmānanda? Convent house? What is that convent house? It is not prostitution? That's all.
Brahmānanda: Usually it's between the priests and the nuns.
Prabhupāda: Unless one is actually spiritually situated, this material center of happiness, maithunādi, that will go anywhere. You give any color, spiritual or religious or political. You see? Why Gandhi's āśrama failed? Do you know that?
Brahmānanda: No.
Prabhupāda: This is . . . when Gandhi was in jail, when he came back he saw all pregnant. You did not know that?
Kartikeya: No, we imagined, but we don't have information.
Prabhupāda: That what . . Gandhi said, "What is this āśrama?"
Indian man (1): No, but Gandhi . . . He is well known, very well known.
Prabhupāda: He is well known.
Indian man (1): Including Mahadev Desai and all, there were lot of complaints and countercomplaints.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It cannot be. You cannot stop the sex unless you are fully in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. It is not possible. And that is the material bondage. In the material prison house they have got so many means—big, big walls, handcuff, chain—but nature is so perfect that simply give you a beautiful woman and you are all prisoner. Big wall, handcuff and chain—everything is complete. I think I have discussed in my recent purports.
Harikeśa: Oh, yes, yes.
Indian man (2): Even in case of Mahadev Desai, it was a classic incident, that his wife came one day to Gandhiji that "This man is your personal writer, but he is going on with another woman in your camp."
Prabhupāda: There are so many.
Indian man (2): "And he comes only because of that woman. Otherwise he is not willing to be your personal writer. So I have complained." Then Gandhiji said, "All right, when did you know it?" So she said, "I was thinking for the three months, but fifteen days before I came." "All right, Mahadeva, you come here. You will fast for fifteen days." And one week later Mahadev Desai decides that he wanted food very badly. So after seven days he was about to die. Then that woman, wife, came again, "Mahārāja, I made a mistake. I made a complaint. All right. But now this man will die, and where I will go?" . . . (indistinct) . . . "Then why have you made a complaint? So you can take off for seven days, but you fast for seven days." So he is relieved.
Prabhupāda: One—there are so many cases. This Lilavati Munshi, this is the same thing. You know that? There is a big history behind this.