Jagadīśa: From Ambarīṣa?
Hari-śauri: No, this was in England.
Jagadīśa: Oh, in England, oh.
Prabhupāda: But there is only balance two thousand five hundred.
Hari-śauri: Yes, just two or three thousand.
Prabhupāda: All the money, he said, spent. Now they are asking for loan for purchasing one house. This money was collected for temple construction.... We were awaiting opportunity. In the meantime, money spent.
Jagadīśa: Have there been any complaints from Detroit? Have there been any similar complaints from Detroit?
Prabhupāda: In Detroit I have received complaint, that.... Many.... Govardhana was popular president.
Jagadīśa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Popular. Everyone liked him.
Jagadīśa: Yes, very gentle soul.
Prabhupāda: Ah. So this is complaint I received.
Jagadīśa: They don't like Mādhavānanda?
Prabhupāda: Some of them say.
Hari-śauri: He's forceful. He's quite a forceful person.
Prabhupāda: What is this forceful?
Hari-śauri: Well, if someone is very active, then it's only natural that some people will not be very keen on him, because he likes to get things done. Those that are a little slow, sometimes they complain. Maybe just that he's only been there a month or so. He's only been there not too long, so it's natural that it will take some time for the devotees to adapt to doing the things according to his direction rather than the way that they've been used to doing it. There's always some transition.
Prabhupāda: You can know more about him from Haṁsadūta. As well Bhagavān.
Jagadīśa: Bhagavān recommended him. He had been in Paris before coming to America. But his complaint was that he didn't speak French, so he didn't like to stay in France. Then he came to America, and he was distributing books with Tripurāri Mahārāja.
Prabhupāda: Oh, he is very intelligent, there is no doubt, intelligent, and for preaching work he is good. But for becoming the manager in London, there were.... What is that boy in Bombay?
Hari-śauri: Oh, Prabhaviṣṇu?
Prabhupāda: Prabhaviṣṇu. So, who would become the president, there was war. (laughter) Haṁsadūta wanted Prabhaviṣṇu, and Mādhavānanda wanted that he would become president. In this way, there was great faction. So the management was being done nicely. He was attracting Indians, faithful, they were following. But there were several complaints that he spent very lavishly on his personal account. Purchasing (indistinct).
Jagadīśa: What do you think we should do, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm? No, I do not wish to interfere. You manage now. I want to see that you are managing without my interference. Now practically I want to concentrate more, or absolutely I want to do that. But sometimes this mismanagement gives me too much anxiety. I do not wish to see that somehow or other we have built up a nice institution, on account of lack of management it may be hampered. That is my only anxiety. Now what is the position of the Gurukula in Texas? Our Gurukula, I have repeatedly said that we want simply to know English nicely—English is international language—and Sanskrit just to read and understand our literature. But we don't find any progress in that way.