Prabhupāda: Vishva Hindu Parishad. What is this nonsense Vishva Hindu . . .? (chuckles) He does not know what is the meaning of Hindu. And his jñāna-yajña. Gītā jñāna yajña. He does not understand even a word of Gītā, and this rascal is preaching Bhagavad-gītā. This is going on. And he has made some name, people after him. People means if you flatter him that, "Whatever you are doing, it is all right."
Mahāṁśa: They will . . .
Prabhupāda: Then they will be very much pleased. And as soon as you criticize that, "You are doing this wrong. You will suffer," "Oh, yes, this Swāmījī is not . . . conservative." That is going on everywhere. In the name of religion you do all nonsense rascaldom, and if the leader approves, "Yes, you can do." Vivekananda did it. Vivekananda did it. "Yes, there is no difference between eating meat and not meating eat in terms of religious system." He preached this, and all the sannyāsīs of Ramakrishna Mission, they eat meat, they drink, they have woman secretary, and everything. This Chinmayananda also like that. I know his whole history. Unless one is purely Kṛṣṇa conscious, one cannot give up all these bad habits. This is the test. Bhaktiḥ pareśānubhavo viraktir anyatra ca (SB 11.2.42). One . . . unless one is substantially advanced in kṛṣṇa-bhakti, they cannot give up this material attachment—illicit sex, meat-eating. They cannot. It is impossible. So even in the name of svāmī and big, big yogīs . . . they are doing all these things. Especially those who go in foreign countries. And in USA illicit sex is very cheap. Everything is very cheap. Yes. Intoxication very cheap, meat-eating very cheap, gambling very cheap. So when they get this cheap amenities, they forget their so-called spiritual life.
Akṣayānanda: Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Akṣayānanda: One of our friends went and heard Chinmayananda, and he came back to the temple and he said: "Oh, he was speaking very nicely."
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Akṣayānanda: So Mahāṁśa Swami said: "What did he say?"
Prabhupāda: Hmm.
Akṣayānanda: "I do not know." (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Who is he?
Mahāṁśa: Hariprasad's sons. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Mahāṁśa: Rai Krishan.
Prabhupāda: That is the disease.
Akṣayānanda: Yes.
Mahāṁśa: They just speak very big words so that the language looks very nice, but people don't understand a word what they are saying.
Prabhupāda: (Prabhupāda talks meaningless words, imitating the rascals) (laughter) They go on speaking like this. And people, "Oh, how amazing!" You simply give some grammatical form and talk all nonsense, people will appreciate it. Jugglery. This is called jugglery. The Māyāvādī paṇḍitas also do that. All the Māyāvādīs they are against me, because I am talking about Bhagavad-gītā as it is, and they screw their own meaning by jugglery of words. So they are all enemies. The Māyāvādī sannyāsīs, smārta-paṇḍitas, all of them. (break) . . . ananda has constructed a śiva-liṅga temple.
Mahāṁśa: Śiva-liṅga.
Prabhupāda: Śiva-liṅga. You have seen śiva-liṅga?
Mahāṁśa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: A temple of . . . there are so many hundreds and thousands of Śiva temples, but nobody has exhibited śiva-liṅga, big śiva-liṅga on the head of the temple.
Akṣayānanda: Where is that, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: It is in Bombay. And he's speaking on Gītār Gān. Gītār Gān means to construct a big śiva-liṅga temple. He's proving himself a rascal by his activities. He is a rascal number one. He has gone many times foreign countries, but not a single foreign student he has got. (break) . . . from atheistic fools who are not prepared to follow any rules and regulation, they are after him. Yes.
Akṣayānanda: That Sai Baba too . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Everyone.
Akṣayānanda: Many of those the young boys and girls, they are potential devotees. They are just in it for a bit of fun. A bit of fashion or fun.
Prabhupāda: Similarly Rajneesh. (break) . . . very good intelligence, Lieberman.
Satsvarūpa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he's speaking very nicely. He's fit for that position. Similarly our . . . what is his name?
Satsvarūpa: Balavanta.
Prabhupāda: Balavanta. He is also very nice. (break) If we get some important votes in the government, then our mission will be successful. This our philosophy is being properly ventilated. It is coming in the papers, you see. On account of this political leadership. And I see that his statements are published profusely. Not with other contemporaries. And what they'll speak? They have no sense, they have no leadership idea.
Satsvarūpa: Some devotees express that a fear that after some time all these bogus groups, they will start running political men, too, and then the field may be ruined, that . . .
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Satsvarūpa: Soon, they say, especially the boy yogī, he always follows whatever we do. When we go out and distribute books, they do; when we have kīrtana, they do. So there's the fear that soon they'll all be running for office, all these bogus men, because we are doing.
Prabhupāda: But they cannot say anything.
Mahāṁśa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: They have . . . this, the followers of the Bala Yogi, they're simply rascals.
Devotee: They'll just be more exposed . . . they'll have to study your books to find out what to say.
Prabhupāda: They cannot even speak . . . ah?
Devotee: They'll have to study your books to find out what to say.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just like our . . . what is this? Sai, Sai, Siddhasvarūpa. He also tried to imitate ourself, and by reading, reading, he became my disciple. That's all. Although he has the same mentality still, still he does not find any better solution than in our philosophy. The Karandhara, he went away (chuckles) and does not find any solution. You see?
Satsvarūpa: "I find no alternative to Kṛṣṇa's service," he said.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the final. Bahūnāṁ janmanām ante jñānavān māṁ prapadyate (BG 7.19). That is final. (break)
Mahāṁśa: . . . would start all over the world?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Mahāṁśa: We should endeavor?
Prabhupāda: If are successful in America, then all over, everywhere it will be followed. (break) So give him some instruction.