Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
- na ca māṁ tāni karmāṇi
- nibadhnanti dhanañjaya
- udāsīna-vad āsīnam
- asaktaṁ teṣu karmasu
- (BG 9.9)
Prabhupāda: Yes. The same thing, that just like a judge orders, "This man should be hanged." But the judge is not affected by such thing. He's not affected. Just like you surgical, you are going on surgical operation. You are not affected. The man is crying, "Oh, here, doctor, you are killing me, killing me, killing me." But the killing or not killing, doctor sāhīb is not interested.
Dr. Patel:
- mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ
- sūyate sa-carācaram
- hetunānena kaunteya
- jagad viparivartate
- (BG 9.10)
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is the . . . these rascal atheist class, they think that prakṛti is creating, prakṛti is creating, that the ocean is created by prakṛti. But why the ocean does not come here, fifty, sixty years. Because there is order that, "You cannot come here." This big ocean, immediately, in one minute, it can swallow up whole Bombay. Therefore it is controlled. It is controlled by the Supreme. Mayādhyakṣeṇa.
Dr. Patel:
- mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ
- sūyate sa-carācaram
- hetunānena kaunteya
- jagad viparivartate
- (BG 9.10)
Prabhupāda: The whole worldly affair is going on . . . the godless atheists, they cannot understand it, that behind this prakṛti, the wonderful prakṛti, so many things happening. It is not happening independently.
Dr. Patel: By the order of God.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Mayādhyakṣeṇa: "Under My control."
Dr. Patel:
- avajānanti māṁ mūḍhā
- mānuṣīṁ tanum āśritam
- paraṁ bhāvam ajānanto
- mama bhūta-maheśvaram
- (BG 9.11)
Prabhupāda: Now, these mūḍhas, they will think, "Huh? It is controlled by Kṛṣṇa? Huh. He is ordinary man like this." A mūḍha. Paraṁ bhāvam ajānanto. He does not know how much powerful is Kṛṣṇa, the mūḍha.
Dr. Patel: But you see, this is not like this, that those fools . . . (break)
Prabhupāda: That is also another mūḍha. But suppose if Kṛṣṇa says that, "I am controlling the whole universe," the mūḍha will not believe it. "Huh? How is that? How . . .? Such a big, gigantic prakṛti, and He is a person, He can control?" The mūḍha cannot understand. He cannot understand that how much powerful is Kṛṣṇa.