Śyāmasundara: Even if you study the way the sun and the rain and so on combined to make this fruit ripe, you still have the question, "Well, why is there fruit in the first place?" Why is there fruit? Why has fruit appeared on this planet? There's no cause, apparently. But God has a cause.
Prabhupāda: God has made the law so perfect that one after—one cause affects something, and that affects another thing, another thing, one after another, so many things, ultimately. So we do not know so many things. We see the fruit, but how the fruit is growing, under which law, we simply explain nature. But it is not nature. There is a law. It is not only growing, the apples are having this nice color outside the skin, they have been painted; everything is perfectly being done by the laws, by the energy of Kṛṣṇa. Just like if you want to make a beautiful fruit, you paint it yellow or red, you take so much time. You apply your energy. The same energy is being applied there. Otherwise why, wherefrom you get the idea that a nice fruit can be painted like this? God is dictating that "You want to make a fruit, paint, you do like this, do like that." So similarly He is doing. But my doing takes so much time, because my energy is so blunt and limited. But His energy is so perfect that immediately (indistinct). The same example, just like Telex. There are so many methods, now this is latest. Immediately type here, immediately there. So before that, one could not believe that how is it I type here and five thousand miles away the type striking. So there is a law. It is not that it is magic.
Śyāmasundara: Oh, I see. Before the Telex there was law, but we didn't know it.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We didn't know it. Similarly, everything is being done under some systematic law, but we do not know it.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. There is one common observation also in science. They say that nothing can come out of nothing. That is already there. But it is not known, due to our imperfect senses.
Prabhupāda: That is science, we do not know.
Śyāmasundara: Nothing can come out of nothing.
Prabhupāda: Nothing. If something has come out, then background must be something. Therefore our definition is janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1), everything, the root cause, the original source, is the Brahman, Absolute Truth. So whatever we are exhibiting, just like the other day, whatever we are thinking, there is some existence. Otherwise it cannot come to our ideas and thinking. The same scientific theory: nothing can come out of nothing.
Śyāmasundara: So if you are thinking of something, then it is already there.
Kṛṣṇa Kanti: The scientists say they haven't created something. They have..., we've discovered something.
Prabhupāda: That's it. That I also said the other day. We can say we have discovered. We cannot invent. America was discovered, not invented. The land was already there.
Bhavānanda: We want to claim credit.
Prabhupāda: Anyone does something new, he takes credit. (break) ...so sun is taking away life. Why you were not present when we were discussing this verse?
Śyāmasundara: The sun is taking our life?
Devānanda: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: Yes. I came in about halfway through.
Prabhupāda: Why? You should have come.
Śyāmasundara: I was typing. I should have come.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Unless you hear, how you will be able to preach? Hearing is very important.
Devotee: Do the rays of the sun actually take away our life?
Prabhupāda: Rays... Actually, don't you find you're dying daily? Then? That is real.
Devotee: It means each time the sun rises and set...
Prabhupāda: Yes. One day's past means one day you lose. That's all. The sunshine..., the sunrise and sunset means passing days, that's all.
Devotee: (in background) She said it was only $400 and it would be another hundred at the end of June.
Prabhupāda: Oh! That's all right. No. I thought if it's dropped somewhere.