Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What... Śrīla Prabhupāda, what are the qualifications of a perfect leader?
Prabhupāda: No mistake, no illusion, no cheating, no imperfection. Anyone who commits mistake, he's illusioned, he's a cheater and imperfect—he cannot lead. So bring any leader of these rascal groups and test with these four principles; he is misleader.
Trivikrama: They're all servants of their senses.
Madhudviṣa: They will also say that within our movement the so-called leaders also have imperfections.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Madhudviṣa: They will say, within our movement, that the leaders also have imperfection.
Prabhupāda: No imperfection.
Trivikrama: No imperfection.
Madhudviṣa: They will say, "Yes, we can give you examples."
Prabhupāda: No. No, no. Why? Why you shall accept? They will say. Because therefore they are saying, we shall accept?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Here's Prabhupāda. Here's Prabhupāda
Trivikrama: The so-called leaders, maybe they are imperfect, but the real leader, He is perfect.
Prabhupāda: Yes, this is test of.
Madhudviṣa: They will say, "He is also makes mistakes."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Where is that mistake?
Prabhupāda: No, there is no mistake.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We have not seen any mistakes.
Gurudāsa: Where is the mistake?
Prabhupāda: There is no mistake.
Gurudāsa: Jaya.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What would you define...
Prabhupāda: If you think your leader is mistaken, then you are mistaken. (laughter)
Mahendra: Like a mirror. You see a mistake but it's yourself.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: The leader of mistake-therefore immediately gives evidence from śāstra. What is the use of quoting from the śāstra? "Just to prove that I am not mistaken, here is the proof."
Madhudviṣa: They would say that there is a way of life which is perfect, but all men are imperfect. There is a way of life.
Prabhupāda: Yes, therefore they... Because you are imperfect, therefore you have to accept the leadership of a perfect person.
Madhudviṣa: They will say no one is perfect.
Prabhupāda: No, that is the... That is your ignorance.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You have never seen...
Prabhupāda: Now, just like blind man says, "Nobody is with eyes. Because I am blind, so everyone is blind." Ātmavat manyate jagat. That is the way.