Prabhupāda: Here difficulty is that the form is fixed up. That is not.... Just like Kṛṣṇa appears in so many forms, everything is spiritual. So what do you think?
Devotee (2): So the form in the spiritual sky is not absolute either? We can take different forms in the spiritual sky?
Prabhupāda: Yes, there are also many forms, but all of them are spiritual. The Vṛndāvana. There is tree, there is Yamunā water, there is land, there is cow, there is calf, there is gopas, gopīs, they are all spiritual. Just like from earth you make many forms, but they are earth. You make pots, you make dolls, but they are all earth. Similarly, spiritual world, there are many forms, they are all spiritual. What is the difficulty?
Pradyumna: Does that form ever change? That form changes also?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Pradyumna: Kṛṣṇa is young and then He's a little older.
Prabhupāda: Generally, it does not change, if one likes this type of form. Śānta, dāsya, sākhya, vātsalya, mādhurya.
Kulādri: That change is available to anyone to progress from śānta to dāsya?
Prabhupāda: That change is not material change. The spiritual bliss is there, either in this form or that form.
Devotee (3): Śrīla Prabhupāda, you said that if we serve Kṛṣṇa we will enjoy, and if we serve māyā then we suffer. How can we get over our desire to serve māyā and enjoy separately from Kṛṣṇa?
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Pradyumna: Says in the material world when we try to enjoy we suffer. When we try to enjoy we suffer? Then how will we get over our desire? And when we serve Kṛṣṇa we become happy. But how will we get over our desire to serve māyā? The attachment is strong.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Pradyumna: He says how will we get over the desire to serve māyā, to try to enjoy ourselves in this material world?
Prabhupāda: Serve Kṛṣṇa.