Prabhupāda: India was discovered by the Portugal, Portuguese, Vasco de Gama. Pondicherry is Portuguese colony. Goa. Goa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Pondicherry?
Prabhupāda: Goa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Goa. Pondicherry is in Goa?
Prabhupāda: No, near Goa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The whole thing was conceived by this Aurobindo.
Prabhupāda: He wanted to leave British possessions. No, Pondicherry was French.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, French. So that Pondicherry was Aurobindo's idea? What was the motive?
Prabhupāda: He wanted to become a famous yogi to bring the world atmosphere in order.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Complete failure.
Prabhupāda: Complete failure. Kṛṣṇa says, duḥkhālayam aśāśvatam: (BG 8.15) "It is a place for suffering." This rascal wanted to make it for enjoyment. Everyone is trying. Everyone is trying to make the commode a very nice room.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: (laughs) That's a pithy saying. Actually you remember that... In your Devasādana, in your Detroit palace, that toilet, the commode there, is better than any man's house in India practically.
Prabhupāda: Very difficult to deal with the people of this world. They are so nasty. They can do anything.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're not at all civilized.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're like animals. You never know what they will do.