Śyāmasundara: You mean like Bengalis are a different species than Gujaratis? Something like that?
Prabhupāda: No, no. Why do you mix, we have already explained? Our jāti means of the same culture. He may be Gujarati, he may be Bengali, he may be American.
Śyāmasundara: So, for instance, carpenters are different than field workers-like that, different interests?
Prabhupāda: Why different interest? The interest is to earn money. So you may earn money in some way, I may earn money in some way, he may earn money in some way.
Karandhara: So is the primary factor of the variation is how much advanced they are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, and how least advanced they are in Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Śyāmasundara: So there are only two species.
Karandhara: The demons and the devas.
Prabhupāda: This consciousness is coming through so many species, animals, then they're trees, they have no consciousness, but there is living..., the soul is there.
Śyāmasundara: I'm still trying to understand what you mean by the species of human life. It's not clear to me. I don't understand what you mean by the different species of human life.
Prabhupāda: By culture.
Śyāmasundara: By culture.
Prabhupāda: Yes. One class of human being...
Śyāmasundara: But everyone is looking for money. You said the field worker is not the same as, or is the same as the carpenter, because they're both looking for money.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But one who knows how to earn money very easily, and one may not know. That is culture. That is culture. One man is sitting in one place earning daily one lakhs of rupees.
Śyāmasundara: So big industrialists and field workers are two different species of men.
Prabhupāda: Not species, class. Jāti.
Śyāmasundara: Jāti. So when you say 400,000 species of human life...
Prabhupāda: It is difference of culture.
Śyāmasundara: It's different from what we think of as species.
Prabhupāda: Culture.
Devotee: It's not species in the bodily...
Karandhara: So the angle of vision is not from the bodily, it's from the closeness of the soul to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, as far as they're able...
Prabhupāda: Unless you accept soul and consciousness, there cannot be question of culture.