Śyāmasundara: He says that full self equals full will. That when we are fully ourself, then we are fully willed.
Prabhupāda: What you mean? That is Māyāvādī. Full self, what is that? Then what is the question of part and parcel?
Śyāmasundara: That means when we make decisions that they are...
Prabhupāda: You cannot make decision. If you are part and parcel, then you have to take decisions from the whole. You cannot make. The finger does not make decision. I say "Finger, stand up like this, please."
Śyāmasundara: So just like when there are decisions to be made, because a self-realized soul automatically...
Prabhupāda: The decision is that I shall serve Kṛṣṇa as soon as ordered. But the order comes from the superior. Just like Arjuna. Arjuna is ordered by Kṛṣṇa to fight, so he has to fight. That is all. Arjuna's decision was wrong, but when he takes decision from Kṛṣṇa, that is right. So we have to take decision from Kṛṣṇa's representative. That is right. We cannot make our own decisions. That is wrong.
Śyāmasundara: So full will means to follow...
Prabhupāda: Full will means full will to surrender, full will to follow the orders of the superior. That is full will.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So how does he ever come to the point of religion if he wants men to make their own decisions? How can we make our own decisions according to him?
Prabhupāda: There is no own decision. If we want to become self, that means I am part and parcel, so I have no personal decision. I have to take decisions from the higher authority.
Śyāmasundara: We were talking about the decision; you were talking about the other levels. The religious stage, you said, is obedience and commitment to God.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But to get to that stage, you have to go through the second stage. So how do you get to the second stage by making your own decisions without God's..., without God's representative? In other words, how can you come to the platform of the third stage from the second stage?
Śyāmasundara: It is gradual development. You gradually develop.
Prabhupāda: Why gradual development? Here Kṛṣṇa says, the Supreme Self, "Surrender unto Me. I give you all protection." Why gradual? Immediate.
Śyāmasundara: He is saying we are motivated by despair to come to this stage.
Prabhupāda: But there is no question. Christ says, or Kṛṣṇa says that "You surrender unto Me, I'll save you," no more disappointment.
Devotee: I haven't heard in this philosophy yet where he has mentioned either guru or śāstra. How... (break)
Prabhupāda: ... dealing factually, scientifically.