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Interviewer: Was this in New York?
Prabhupāda: In New York, yes, Seventy-second Street West. So whatever there was shortage, he was supplying. I was getting some money by contributions in my lectures. But in the beginning my all expenditures were not sufficient collection. So the deficiency he was giving me.
Interviewer: Did he aid you in setting up the first center or temple?
Prabhupāda: No, I started my temple in 1967, first July.
Interviewer: In New York.
Prabhupāda: New York, yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Caller: Why do you set up your church into an area like the Haight-Ashbury? Your so-called temple?
Prabhupāda: Our so-called temple?
Caller: Your so-called temple. Why do you set up a place like that in the Haight-Ashbury?
Interviewer: I'll rephrase it. I'm going to punch her out. Why is your church located in the area of the hippies?
Allen Ginsberg: Your plan here in America, then, is to set up centers so that those who are that concerned can pursue their studies and practice a ritual?
Prabhupāda: My... Personally, I have no, I mean to say, ideal or ambition.
Allen Ginsberg: Yeah.
Prabhupāda: But it is the mission of human life to come to that point. So at least there must be some center or institution who may give them this idea. It is not that everyone will come. Just like there are many educational department. I know in Calcutta in our boyhood age, at that time Sir Ashutosh Mukherjee was vice-president. So he opened some classes in the university.
Prabhupāda: So then the Paramānanda is there, and he is there. They are not fools. They are also intelligent. They can manage.
Hayagrīva: Well, whatever situation you want to set up.
Prabhupāda: No, no, I think this will be nice because if he does outside propaganda, that will help development of this center. You make nice, what is called? Prospectus? I gave you the idea, that what is the idea of this center and make plans and where we want to construct temple, the, what is called, design of the temple, and make nicely and put before the people, and they have already known that Kṛṣṇa conscious movement is going on. So there are so many rich people in our country. If somebody comes forward, we can make very nice progress very quickly.
Pratyatoṣa: They thought that might have higher priority than... It's a project, I wanted to set up a library of all of your tapes and make them available to everybody and preserve them, and have them all indexed.
Prabhupāda: Yes, I wanted a tape recorder.
Pratyatoṣa: Do you think this would fit your needs, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Yes, I wanted. I wanted to purchase one Stanberg.
Pratyatoṣa: Tanberg?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: You receive the phone call?
Pratyatoṣa: Yeah, just by a phone call. Just by calling a local number, too, because they have lines already set up.
Devotee (4): Like you were talking with that big (indistinct).
Pratyatoṣa: I was communicating with a karmī friend of mine in Baltimore through the computer system. He was using the same computer. So that's another thing we could do, communications. And we could do a (indistinct)...
Prabhupāda: We haven't got much communication with outside.
Prabhupāda: So, how they can (indistinct)? They do not know and do not actually want to see people enlightened. It is not their policy. It is simply make some show. Show means spend another set-up amount, investigation. Their men, the government men, they'll get money, that's all.
Ātreya Ṛṣi(?): Jaya.
Prabhupāda: And finished. Engage some rascal report. This is going on.
Ātreya Ṛṣi(?): Exactly, exactly.
Prabhupāda: Very dangerous.
Ātreya Ṛṣi(?): They are all thieves, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prabhupāda: Sleeping purposes in India, tropical country, if you carry camp, if you want to sleep somewhere you just immediately set up a camp and pass night very comfortable. And you go on the field passing stool. Just catch up some watery place. (laughter) You can cook, you can take bath, you can wash your dishes, then put up on the trailer and go on.
Devotee: Mostly we'll be going to big...
Prabhupāda: I'll agree if you can send one van also, two cars and one van.
Devotee: Mostly we'll be going to bigger cities anyway. The roads between big cities are all right. But if we go places...
Prabhupāda: It is loose. On account of hastiness, I could not properly set up.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Some birds, Śrīla Prabhupāda, like the minaḥ...?
Prabhupāda: Minaḥ, yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They can be taught to say something. So if they are taught to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa...,
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: ...then are this, this is a good service?
Prabhupāda: Corpse, yes. You require everything, full body. You require head, you require arms, you require belly, you require legs. But if you have got simply the belly and legs, then it is a dead body. It cannot work properly. The brain is lost; therefore they are mad after so much advancement of civilization. They are exactly like cats and dogs. As soon as you enter some country, dog, watchdog: "Wowf! Wowf! Why you have come? What is your position?" ("Where is your visa?"?) This is dog's business. This is dog's business. (laughter) And they have set up immigration department. But it is a dog's business, watchdog. I say it is watchdog's business. A first-class gentleman is being searched out pocket, whether you have got revolver. Cannot be trusted, all these educated rogues and thieves. So what is this advancement of civilization? It is civilization? No sober man, no intelligent man, all cats and dogs, thieves, rogues. Is that civilization? It is not civilization.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Can I, can I summarize to you what our position on authority is? What we're talking about is that simply you're saying we both agree that there is a very beautiful set-up here. It's not accidental set-up. (indistinct) intelligent laws of nature. We both agree that there must be something beyond it.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Krishna Tiwari: I agree.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: You agree. Now you don't know beyond that. You have not... You say "I don't have time," or somehow...
Krishna Tiwari: No. I have lot of time, just I can't find.
Prabhupāda: Crack. The long wick, you just set fire: (makes sound:) tille, tille, tille, tille, tille, and when it comes: tung! (laughter) It is like that. You just set up the fire and then one day he'll become fully Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Śyāmasundara: So the knowledge is absolute, it works with anyone.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Even if he does not complete, whatever he has done, that is complete. Because it is spiritual, it is not material. In material world suppose if you want to do something, you have to make the background. And while doing the background if you could not make further progress, everything is finished. But spiritual work is not like that. From the very beginning, whatever you are doing, that is asset. Nothing is lost.
Pradyumna: You probably had those in India.
Sir Alistair Hardy: (break) ...through India, going out to the Far East. I've been out advising on the setting up of a fishery, biological research, at Hong Kong. But I never believe in going straight out and I've always stopped in India, various places, very little, short time. (eating) I had a great friend, Professor Bower, who was professor of zoology at Lucknow. He then became the vice-chancellor of Patna. But he overworked very badly, and he had a breakdown, and then... But he was an awfully nice man. I stayed with him in Lucknow.
Prabhupāda: This zoology is another subject matter, whether life began from matter or matter began from life.
Śyāmasundara: Can we use this table?
Devotee: I have some... (Sounds of setting up prasādam?)
Prabhupāda: Just like...
Lord Brockway: Thank you very much.
Mālatī: Thank you for waiting. I'm sorry it's a little late.
Prabhupāda: This is... These European and American girls, they have learned to prepare... (some background noise) Oh, you have prepared for me? No, I don't want any more.
Śyāmasundara;: No, this table is too small.
Śyāmasundara;: No, this table is too small.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (devotees talking as they set up tables for prasādam) Oh, two tables? That's all right. That's nice.
Lord Brockway: Splendid. Thank you very much. Now, is it your custom to say some kind of grace?
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is already offered to the Deity.
Lord Brockway: Before you eat?
Prabhupāda: Yes, we say,
Mahā-prasāda, the foodstuff offered to the Deity, this is not ordinary foodstuff. Mahā-prasāde govinde. And to the Lord. Mahā-prasāde govinde nāma-brahmaṇi. "And in the holy name of the Lord."
Prabhupāda: The villagers, they have cows and land. That is sufficient for their economic problem. But the industrialists, they are alluring them, "To get more money, come here." So they are going to the cities. And the food production in the village is neglected. And therefore the food grain price is rising. Actually, everyone should be engaged to produce food, but the modern set-up of civilization is that few people are engaged in producing food, and others are eating. They are offering... They are artificially getting money. So they are offering paper, "Here is ten dollars." Although it is a paper, cheating. And they are captivated by cheating. They, they are thinking, "I have got now hundred dollars." What is this hundred dollars? It is paper. So some people are cheating and some people are being cheated. This is the society.
Prabhupāda: Oh. So you have seen our books?
Prof. Gombrich: Yes, I have, yes. You are travelling to India, I hear?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prof. Gombrich: You are setting up a university in India?
Prabhupāda: In... What is that?
Haṁsadūta: Are you establishing a university in India?
Prabhupāda: It is not so easy thing. (Hindi)
Prof. Gombrich: At Navadvīpa?
Prabhupāda: Navadvīpa, yes.
Prabhupāda: Everywhere. (break)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, I think the Indian government has set up one oil factory now. I saw in the news, that in Mathurā now, the government of India has set up one oil refinery. There will be a factory there.
Prabhupāda: In Mathurā?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: In Mathurā, yes. They have laid the foundation, Indira Gandhi. I think a few months ago I saw in the paper. So there will be one refinery there. So it will be industrial town now.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They want to spoil the spiritual value of Mathurā, Vṛndāvana. They are not giving any more sanction for temples. (break)
Prabhupāda: Eh? Thirty years they are struggling for United Nations, big, big expenditure, so many humbug, bharam udvahato vimūḍhān, humbug program, and no result. Prahlāda Mahārāja said, "I am thinking, I am, only for these rascals. They're making humbug program, but there is no action. And for temporary, so-called happiness, without God consciousness. I am simply thinking of them. Otherwise, personally, I have no problem." This was spoken by Prahlāda Mahārāja to Nṛsiṁha-deva. Śoce tato vimukha-cetasa māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān (SB 7.9.43). (break) ...business has become like Prahlāda Mahārāja. We can chant anywhere. That's all right. Kṛṣṇa will provide everything. We have no business to do. But we have to take them because we are sympathizer, that so many people are being killed by this modern civilization. They had the opportunity to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, but by the set-up of this rascal civilization, they are being killed spiritually.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But we say.
Guest: But I'm not trying to, uh, to set up, to argue sect against sect.
Prabhupāda: That's not the question. It's a question of philosophy. Here we just say, we know, just like we, we are devotee of Lord Buddha, keśava dhṛta-buddha-śarīra jaya jagadīśa hare. We glorify Lord Buddha because we know what is Buddha, sadaya-hṛdaya darśita-paśu-ghātam. So we know perfectly that he is incarnation of Kṛṣṇa, but those who are cheated by Buddha, from their point of view I want to know what is their perspective.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. This is intelligence. How Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading, you have to learn from Kṛṣṇa and think like that. That is meditation. That is meditation, how Kṛṣṇa is all-per... Just like in the beginning also, Kṛṣṇa said, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya (BG 7.8). So similarly, another explanation is going to be set up here.
Dr. Patel: Now
Prabhupāda: Yes. So "If I go on speaking, there is no end. But some of the chief principles by which I am all-pervading, I shall speak to you."
Prabhupāda: ... that these rascal leaders, they cannot give us any comfort. All over the world. Here in the Gujarat, the students have insulted the leader, you know? So horribly, they have dragged the prime minister, chief minister, dragged him and set up and seated on an ass's back. In this way he was insulted.
Mahāṁśa: Prime Minister.
Prabhupāda: The chief minister.
Mahāṁśa: The chief minister.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee: This was in Jerusalem?
Prabhupāda: Ah? No, no, is Gujarat, here.
Prabhupāda: Europeans, they are also coming from kṣatriya family.
Yadubara: "I shall also see how You..." (break) "...your internal potency You have set up the influence of māyā." That is part of the internal potency?
Prabhupāda: Hm? Yes. What is your question?
Yadubara: Well, I thought it was the external potency.
Prabhupāda: For Him there is no external, internal. For Kṛṣṇa there is no external, internal. You cannot understand this. Kṛṣṇa is absolute. For me there is external, internal, but for Kṛṣṇa there is no external, internal because His energy... The external energy is also His energy, and internal is His energy. Therefore He's everything. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (Hindi) For electrician there is no difference between refrigerator and heater. He knows how to adjust it.
Richard Webster: What civilization there is comes chiefly from the television, I'm afraid. I mean the public opinion is made by the television.
Atreya Ṛṣi: The television today is setting up the standard for the civilization, for today's civilization.
Richard Webster: But they talk about nothing but name war (?) and...
Prabhupāda: (indistinct) pictures.
Richard Webster: It's much easier. They're producing more television sets (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Yes. So this is going on. That is condemned. One who is not God-conscious, one who does not know that he is not body, he is animal. That's all. Maybe in different dress, in different... So you have to set up real human society in a small scale so people will see, "Yes." Because man has got intelligence. Just like, although I am condemning the western mode of life, still, so many western young boys, they have come. I never came to speak to flatter you, that "Your western civilization is very nice." I never said that. Why you are coming? I never came to flatter you, neither I never came to say, "Yes, there is no God." I am speaking just opposite, everything opposite. "You are drunkard; no drink. You are illicit sex hunters; no illicit sex." So I am just speaking opposite, from the beginning of my preaching. So why you are coming?
Prabhupāda: But according to our śāstra, moon is one of the heavenly planets. (break) ...is moon in any way? Because there is no water?
Karandhara: They say that if they want to set up some houses there, they have to, everything has to be brought there. There's nothing there to use.
Prabhupāda: How the house will be brought there?
Karandhara: Well, they plan on in the future building stations and...
Prabhupāda: The water has to be taken from the station?
Karandhara: Yes. Air, water, everything has to be taken.
Prabhupāda: Oh. And still they must go there. And we are proposing another planet, Vaikuṇṭha planet. They are not willing to go there.
Prabhupāda: No, no. They are not brāhmaṇas. Those who give education in exchange of money, they are not brāhmaṇas. Just like we are lecturing, educated, educating people. We don't say that "Give us salary." We simply ask them, "Please come." Therefore we are making food. I'll give you food. I'll give you good seat. Please come and hear. We are not asking money, that "First of all pay the fees. Then you come and learn Bhagavad-gītā." We never say so. So those, these so-called teachers, they first of all set up salary, "What salary you'll give me?" That is dog's business. That is not brāhmaṇa's business. Brāhmaṇa will never ask. Brāhmaṇa is eager to give lesson only. That's all. Brāhmaṇa is eager to see that people are educated. "Take free education and be educated. Be a human being." This is brāhmaṇa's business. I came here not to ask for any money. But I want to give lesson. This is brāhmaṇa's business.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that may be, according to the body you are getting. There are 8,400,000 species of body. So according to your work you will be allowed to enter into the womb of mother. How can you check it? Where is your scientist? That is nature's law, automatically. Just like if you are infected, you get this disease. That's all. There is no need of mother nature will take personal... No, the rules are so fine that you will get automatically. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate svā-bhāvikī jñāna-bala-kriyā ca (Cc. Madhya 13.65, purport). The Kṛṣṇa's energies are so powerful and subtle that it takes everything takes automatically. One set up, then after that, after that, after that, after that—everything is there. Parāsya śaktir vividhaiva śrūyate. Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi (BG 3.27). Everything is described in the Bhagavad-gītā.
Prabhupāda: Duṣkṛtina means always engaged in sinful activities. They have got brain but their brain is being utilized only for sinful activities, they are called duṣkṛtina. Kṛtī, kṛtī means good brain, and duṣkṛtī means brain is being utilized for sinful act. Therefore they are mūḍha. In spite of good brain, they are rascals, because brain is being utilized for sinful activities, how to set up up-to-date machinery for killing animals. Brain is being used for this purpose. Any animal can be killed with ordinary knife, but they're manufacturing latest machinery. Their brain, rascal brain is being used for that purpose. And what they will understand? They are preparing their road for going to hell. What they will understand about spiritual matters? Nature will not excuse. That is not possible. (break) That is sufficient for your being killed. Yes, sir. Wherefrom these laws come unless there is God's laws?
Yaśodānandana: I think he just wants to mention that it is more difficult for people who are elderly to understand, those who are more set up in their ways.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That is the difficulty. They are trained up in such a way that it's very difficult to forget what they have learned. Therefore Prahlāda Mahārāja says, kaumāra acaret prajñaḥ, from the very beginning of life one should learn this art of understanding Kṛṣṇa and Kṛṣṇa's plan.
Devotee (1): Śrīla Prabhupāda, usually on saṅkīrtana I avoid old people because they just don't understand, and it's very difficult to approach them.
Prabhupāda: Hmm. You have got a branch here?
Young man: I have been here for about three months. I am trying to lead the practices and the sādhana of the people here and trying to set up a unit here.
Prabhupāda: So you follow Vedic principle?
Young man: We follow Tantric principle.
Prabhupāda: Tantric. Tantra, there are two kinds of tantras, sattvata, and there are sattvic, rajasic, anything. So your activity is on the material platform or spiritual?
Young man: It's actually... Our motive is, our objective is ātmā mokṣa (Sanskrit).
Prabhupāda: Ātmā...?
Prabhupāda: Ah, South India. Lobster and this, what is called? Labhanga...? Cloves. And these cashew. Cashew is produced in India. (break) ...big, big European companies for doing this business in Cochin.
Bali-mardana: They were set up by the British?
Prabhupāda: Yes, and Greeks. (break) Americans don't care for this business. They want machine.
Bali-mardana: They do not care for the clam business. (break) Europeans consider Americans a little bit barbarian, a little bit uncivilized.
Prabhupāda: Why?
Devotee (2): We were hoping that there are some things which can be improved, because they have not been set up by you.
Prabhupāda: No. You cannot improve. Whatever we are, we are.
Devotee (2): Why can we not improve it?
Prabhupāda: No. There is no possibility.
Devotee (2): Then what is the use of action?
Prabhupāda: Action, whatever action we can do by chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa, that's all.
Prabhupāda: Touching?
Dharmādhyakṣa: Yes. There's a picture, and your hand is like this.
Prabhupāda: No. (break)
Bahulāśva: Many students are here during the day. They come and set up the Deities and then do kīrtana and give out prasādam.
Prabhupāda: Do that. Continue that. They will be infected.
Bahulāśva: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Infect them.
Bahulāśva: Their brains will be washed. We will have big success with this new temple here, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Many of these students will come and visit us. People like us very much here, at least the students.
Prabhupāda: That means it is conditional; gravitation works on condition. It is not final. Under certain condition it works. Therefore, then you have to accept condition. Under such and such condition it falls.
Rādhāvallabha: So these conditions are being set up by nature. There is no need for a controller.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, you cannot say that gravitation draws things downward. If gravitation... You will find cloud, thousands of tons of water. Why it is not down? Cloud, why it does not come down?
Rādhāvallabha: Because it is in vapor form. It has not condensed yet.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, but it is weighty.
Rādhāvallabha: (break) ...on a small scale we have set up...
Prabhupāda: Therefore you accept that you are small. You are not the great. God is great; you are small. So claim a small credit, don't claim as good as God. That is your foolishness. Because we are part and parcel of God, we have got capacity to do part and parcel, not the whole. So remain small, don't try to become big. Remain servant of God. Don't try to become God, that is foolishness. That is our philosophy. Tṛṇād api sunīcena taror api sahiṣṇunā. Remain humble and meek. You will understand God.
Prabhupāda: So you keep the address and be in correspondence.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Best if everything is set up beforehand, so when Prabhupāda comes it is already organized.
Guest (1): Yes. We can put it in newspaper.
Prabhupāda: But one thing you must be assured, that if you can introduce this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement, everyone will be happy. Be rest assured. That's a fact.
Guest (1): Because if you go to the villages...
Prabhupāda: Everyone will be happy. Men and animal, everyone will be happy.
Prabhupāda: Government means you, like rascal fools like you. So how you will take care?
Harikeśa: When it is properly set up.
Prabhupāda: First of all you see the government, what is government? Government means a pack of rascals and fools. That's all. This is modern government. All these thieves and rogues are voted to be government men. So how you expect good government? It is not possible. "People's government." All people are rascals. That means government rascal. People's government.
Prabhupāda: No, no, for bronchitis this open air is very good.
Indian man (3): Good. Ah. That is good. During night, I can't get sleep, so if I go in the evening to the sea, so morning I think... Four days, I am better.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, very good. Even if you cannot walk, you can sit down and breathe the open air. (break) Progress is going on?
Saurabha: Yes. (break)
Prabhupāda: Temple foundation is fixed up?
Saurabha: The laying concrete, one third has been done and today we start setting up the columns, steel work.
Prabhupāda: Why not? There are many gṛhastha devotees. Here is gṛhastha devotee.
Indian man (1): Thank you.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) ...which you want to set up, they are available, ready-made?
Saurabha: Some of them are ready, but we need about a hundred, so I don't think there will be one hundred ready. But if the order is placed in advance, then they will...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Dr. Patel: (indistinct)
Devotee (1): Every fourteen days we'll cast a new floor. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...the week days are set up.
Dr. Patel: We have our own information.
Prabhupāda: What is that?
Dr. Patel: (laughs) You see, there is a little difference...
Prabhupāda: Sunday, Monday.
Dr. Patel: Yes, Sunday, the sun is the center, and I mean, that is, I recall, first sun, and then Monday is next day, then Tuesday, which is next to the earth, and Wednesday next to the sun.
Dr. Patel: I mean the industrial revolution has really produced a sort of a turmoil in the social set-up...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Because the machine has produced good, and the benefit has been taken over by the...
Prabhupāda: Ugra, ugra. This has been described in Bhagavad-gītā, ugra karma.
Dr. Patel: Yes. Ugra karma.
Prabhupāda: Instead of making life simplified, they have made it a turmoil.
Prabhupāda: Because, no, He was questioned...
Dr. Patel: ...of the life. I talk of the maintenance of the body. To maintain the body Karl Marx put up this theory and, I mean, spoiled the whole thing—whole society and social set-up.
Prabhupāda: (Hindi to a passerby) Everyone is manufacturing; that is my point. Either Karl Marx or this one or that one, everyone is manufacturing. No one is taking the instruction. And our mission is "Take instruction of Kṛṣṇa." This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. We don't manufacture like nonsense. What you'll manufacture? You are imperfect, your senses are imperfect...
Prabhupāda: That's utilization. Why they should be paid for nothing?
Indian man: The small farmers who has a few acres of land, they are selling to a party, and they are getting a money. They knew that "After two or three years we will pose our set-up to the government that 'We are landless,' and the government will give us some money."
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Indian man: "We will get the money now and we will also get the land."
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Same way, these people in Madras, the poor people living on the street, so the government gives them the house. Then they take the house and rent it and live...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. This is... Of course, we'll do this also. What about, like, all of these people coming? This is my point, that so many poor people are coming here. Practically they don't even have enough money to take care of their children properly. So whether we can make some verbal announcements and whether we can set up a little table at the prasādam pavilion that "Anyone who would like to enroll their sons in our school can do so"? Because many of these people can't take care of their children properly. I'm thinking when they see our boys they may want to give their sons.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they will give.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Is that a good program?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Prabhupāda: Suppose you, you, if you can make a nice vegetable preparation, but that does not mean you know everything of the vegetable. That does not mean. You are still rascal. Although you can prepare a nice preparation with vegetable. But that does not mean you know everything of the vegetable. That is karu kārya. That is called karu kārya. Just like this mason worker. They know how to set up the bricks and doing nice work. But that does not mean... Wherefrom the brick has come? You can take this flower, make a, what is called, in a vase, can make a beautiful...
Devotee (1): Bouquet.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Prabhupāda: Invigorated, get a refreshment.
Hari-śauri: If you just see a flower. Yes, just to walk through a nice garden, it's very pacifying.
Prabhupāda: How many different colors and set up, craftsmanship. There is no brain behind.
Hari-śauri: Chance.
Prabhupāda: It is not chance. In this particular tree, this flower will grow. Color will not change. (pause) So somebody is preparing?
Hari-śauri: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Who?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Immediately manufactured as soon as the living enters. Their chemical composition is that, that even you cut a living entity, he can enter. The living entity enters through the semina of the father in the womb of the mother, the same process. Unless the living entity enters, the body does not form. It is matter only. When the living entity enters, then the formation takes place according to his mind. What do they know about it? Hm? Yaṁ yaṁ vāpi smaran bhāvaṁ tyajaty ante kalevaram (BG 8.6). The matter simply is set up according to the desire. Just like we have constructed this big house according to my desire. The matter has not taken shape like this big house automatically. I am the proprietor. I desire: "Let the rooms be like this." Similarly, the material elements, the semina of the father and the ova of the mother, mix.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Days are in this order. So naturally one has to conclude that sun first, moon second. Naturally.
Rādhāvallabha: They will say, "Who has set up the order?"
Prabhupāda: Anyway, you accept it. All over the world, nobody says that Monday first. Then?
Candanācārya: Is this also in Sanskrit language? Sunday, Monday.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, yes. Ask all scientists this simple question. Why, all over the world, Sunday, sun first and moon second? Why? And Saturday last. All of you could not answer this question. (devotees laugh)
Mādhavānanda: Yes, I was thinking.
Rakṣaṇa: Rādhāvallabha can set up like Māyāpur. They're all waterproofed and everything else there.
Prabhupāda: Give them one big room.
Mādhavānanda: I was thinking to ask Bharadvāja to come, because he...
Prabhupāda: He's busy there, but somebody may go there and learn from Bharadvāja how to make dolls and prepare it here. One room. There are so many big, big rooms.
Mādhavānanda: Yes, I was thinking.
Prabhupāda: "And what nonsense book you have got? (laughter) We are going to stop your sales." Tell them. "And we are going to stop your sales. Instead of helping you for selling your books, we are going to stop all these nonsense books. That is our mission." Tad vāyasaṁ tīrtham. That is explained in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. Na yad vacaś citra-padaṁ harer yaśo jagat-pavitraṁ pragṛṇīta karhicit, tad vāyasaṁ tīrtham uśanti mānasāḥ (SB 1.5.10). That verse, that however nicely it is written with..., what is called, metaphor, poetic ornaments and very good language, grammatical set-up, and so on, so on. So that, although it is very nicely written from literary point of view, but because it does not contain any glorification of Kṛṣṇa, it is just like the spot where the crows take pleasure. Crows.
Prabhupāda: People are coming?
Satsvarūpa: Yes. And their main program is they go every day on the lawn at the university and they set up a pandal tent and chant for about two hours. And they are building a truck for distributing prasāda in the wintertime on campus...
Prabhupāda: You make arrangement.
Satsvarūpa: Yes. Very nice clean house, but not much bigger than a house like that. But very nice and clean.
Prabhupāda: Forty-eight cents?
Satsvarūpa: I don't know. Ambarīṣa? How much are cigarettes?
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Hari-śauri: All right. So in a few minutes just to set up...
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: (break) Yes, I'll inform them: "If cart is not possible to be made or (indistinct), then they can do it on the back of a flat truck with a canopy with a nice cloth."
Prabhupāda: Kīrtana party and truck, all Indians will come.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One thing though is, July is, like in Melbourne, it's wintertime there. So is it okay if they have the festival in summer months?
Prabhupāda: Not necessarily.
Prabhupāda: We can't read it. I cannot read
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: One side it says "matter," the other side it says "life."
Svarūpa Dāmodara: On the left side, it is matter; on the right side, it is life. Now it is little different from the way that this different set-up by biologists. This is quite unique in a sense because we all take this from the sources of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam and Bhagavad-gītā. So the first point says that matter is the inferior energy of the Absolute Truth, and on the right column, it is the superior energy of the Absolute Truth. Now in the...
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is explained in the Bhagavad-gītā.
Vṛṣākapi: She reports on a religious, er... And this is Channel 4, TV. (setting up cameras, etc.)
Interviewer: We'd like to get a, first of all a general statement from you about the state of the world and the state of your movement in it...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Interviewer: ...at this time.
Prabhupāda: This is a spiritual movement, and at the present moment people are more interested with material improvement, but our real interest is... Not only our, every human being's interest should be for spiritual upliftment. Just like our body is there, and within the body I am the spirit soul, also I am there. So we are taking care of the body but not of the spirit soul. So the nature's law is that a spirit soul, changing in different position of the body, as we experience in this life, from childhood to boyhood, boyhood to youthhood, similarly, after giving up this body, we'll have to accept another body, and there are 8,400,000 different forms of body.
Rāmeśvara: We had a good success because we sent out all the householders to the parks. During that holiday everyone goes to the parks. So the householders took their children and they set up a tent, and one of them stayed there babysitting and all the others went out distributing your books. So in that way they went out on traveling saṅkīrtana.
Prabhupāda: What is the name of that boy? He sold one Caitanya-caritāmṛta to a chemist?
Devotee: Praghoṣa?
Hari-śauri: No, not Praghoṣa, he's originally from New York, big, heavy, thick-set boy. Begins with J.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: To the right, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Hari-śauri: (to devotee:) I have to set up for massage. You can do the machine? It's recording now.
Prabhupāda: Very nice sitting place.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Above all the noise in New York City, too.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa;: It's not so noisy up here.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Pālikā wants to ask you something.
Pālikā: Would you like to take fruit now, or prasādam as regular?
Prabhupāda: The other words, the woman who is chaste, she is very much glorified.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: A chaste woman is very much glorified in Vedic culture.
Interviewer: I'm particularly interested in the educational system that you are setting up. Do you think...
Bali-mardana: You mean for children?
Rāmeśvara: She's referring to now the system that we have for our children, Gurukula. So what's the question?
Prabhupāda: So why the seeds does not go by air to the other planets?
Rāmeśvara: When they first developed the radio, they set up a system to send out radio messages into outer space. And their idea was that if there was any intelligence on other planets they would answer by sending...
Prabhupāda: So whether your radio message reach there?
Hari-śauri: We should wait, Śrīla Prabhupāda, a minute, because police over there, they may object if we walk. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...only in America (laughter). All intelligence monopolized by America.
Prabhupāda: Ah.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So we had three of these set up, and many people were sitting in chairs watching the different movies.
Bali-mardana: It was amazing that one little generator was supplying all the power. This one little gasoline generator was supplying the power for all the sound and the various electricity things.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, there was no electrical hook-up; we did that with a gas generator.
Prabhupāda: Oh. And there was no sound, cutcutcutcutcut.
Prabhupāda: But what you have gained out of it, rascal? Now, there is no water. Bring water and become atheist. Why do you see: "When there will be water?" Bring water by scientific method. Why you are looking on the sky: "Whether there is any cloud."
Hari-śauri: Set up a drought committee.
Prabhupāda: They have done?
Bhagavān: In France there was a big drought, terrible drought. Many animals died. So the president of the country made a speech, and all he could say in his speech was that people should try to use less water.
Mike Robinson: If I could just spend one or two minutes of your time. Shall I explain the program? We do a religious program for two and a half hours on a Sunday which covers all different religions, and what we'd like is, people in London have seen, you know, many members of the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement on Oxford Street. And if you would explain more about the Hare Kṛṣṇa movement, how it was formed, what you believe, this sort of idea, so that people would have a better understanding of the movement. And I'll just set up a tape recorder first.
Mukunda: This is your biography, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Yes, I have seen it, encyclopedia.
Mike Robinson: Could we just talk for a minute or two so that we could get all this set up? If you'd like, just to tell me. You're going to India tomorrow, is that correct?
Prabhupāda: Yes, I am leaving tomorrow.
Hari-śauri: If you like, we can set up for the film now.
Prabhupāda: Now I have given the ideas, the philosophy, in the books. So it is your business to develop all over the world. You are very intelligent, Europeans and Americans. Give it a shape, for the world prosperity. Give it a practical.... It is practical. There is no difficulty. So much land. Very good fertile land in Africa, Australia, in America. All of them can be utilized for the happiness of the whole world. The portal(?) has come or not?
Yogeśvara: I haven't seen any new devotees come from London, so probably not.
Hari-śauri: It's very good. There's just a real short one about the university in Kurukṣetra. It says, "Vedic Varsity for Kurukṣetra Soon." "The first Vedic university will come up soon at Kurukṣetra and will be affiliated to V.M. Cakravarty University. The proposed university is being set up by the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, ISKCON, and will cost rupees two crore. Most of the funds will be provided by Mr. Alfred Ford, the nephew of the auto magnate Henry Ford. Mr. Ford, on becoming a disciple of Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupāda, founder of ISKCON, changed his name to Ambarīṣa dāsa. The Vedic university will offer courses leading to bhakti-śāstrī and sarvabhauma."
Prabhupāda: (break) ...new devotees joining?
Prabhupāda: Yes, why not?
Harikeśa: "As Brilliant As the Sun"? This film is really first class. (some discussion while setting up film) (break)
Prabhupāda: This is due to American boy's cooperation.
Mr. Sahani: Yes, very nice. A great achievement.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: Due to Śrīla Prabhupāda's mercy.
Prabhupāda: And now we are trying Middle East with the cooperation of Iranians.
Prabhupāda: So, so far the building is concerned, that is already settled up.
Jayapatākā: Yes, that's all set up.
Prabhupāda: Then what other?
Jayapatākā: There were some other lighter matters. When I was traveling in my preaching, then last time in Māyāpur, when that Haridaspur, when they offered, you mentioned to me that you liked that we develop these holy spots. So just as a matter of convenience, whenever I was near any holy spot that you mentioned in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta I would go and just visit the place.
Jayapatākā: Gaura Govinda, he has a few huts. "Major complex."
Pradyumna: "Besides, they are planning to set up a Sanskrit university in Purī, the home of famed temples and one of the few spots in India blessed by Ādi Śaṅkara. Two devotees, Gurudāsa Swami and Abhirāma dāsa visited Bhuvaneśvara in April last to explore means to set up the university." Then in big heading, "Patnayak's interest in Kṛṣṇa cult."
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: This is going to get us...
Prabhupāda: That's nice.
Prabhupāda: Our whole movement is to educate this atheistic godless civilization to God consciousness. That is our movement. So if we set up a party, In God We Trust, what is the wrong there?
Gargamuni: In the same newspaper they print naked women. So we have God conscious party to stop this.
Prabhupāda: To stop illicit sex.
Gargamuni: Yes.
Prabhupāda: We are trying to elevate the demoralized human society to God consciousness.
Pradyumna: Then, "John Erdman, a U.S. citizen who sails under the label of (sic:) Jayapak Swami and is in charge of the flourishing Māyāpur complex of the Society, recently had discussions with his chums to set up an In God We Trust Party in India also." Then, heading: "Bigger Than Defunct British Empire." "In a recent communication with Gargamuni Swami, alias Gregory M. Scharf, who looks after West Bengal, the chief from headquarters says, "Now we have become more than the British Empire"
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: This is your quote.
Prabhupāda: And what is British Empire? British Empire could not occupy the whole world. We are occupying the whole world.
Prabhupāda: So within four hundred years everything finished. (laughs) Everything built up and everything finished.
Prabhā Viṣṇu: You said before it was all propaganda.
Maṇihāra: Now the Indians are coming from India, setting up big business in England. They're controlling big factories, business, so many mills, everything. In Manchester, where I come from...
Prabhupāda: There is agitation to drive away the Indians.
Maṇihāra: Now they are trying to drive away. Because they know they have money. They are taking over.
Paṇḍita: And I have been given guidance by these ācāryas to stick to this paramparā sampradāya ācāra. So I belong to this sahogala(?) order. I have taken initiation from this guru, as well as Vedantic knowledge from another guru. I am practicing my ācāra, sampradāya ācāra very strictly in that order. As far as I see, there is... Without disturbing this set-up, I can do service, I think. Is it not?
Prabhupāda: No, our mission is to spread Kṛṣṇa's mission. That's all.
Paṇḍita: Mission. That's all. We need not change the other set-up need not. Necessity is not there.
Prabhupāda: No. We have got already set up, what Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya (BG 18.66). So our business is how to teach people to surrender to Kṛṣṇa. That's all.
Harikeśa: No, what they're doing is that room, everybody goes there, the guests all go there. So in the past it's just been a big empty wasted room. So now what they're doing is making it a big preaching room with photos all around and book tables set up in such a way that someone can just walk in that room and there's a whole exhibit for him to see...
Prabhupāda: Who has gotten this idea?
Harikeśa: I think Gopāla Kṛṣṇa. It's an exhibition room.
Prabhupāda: Then they are breaking wall or what?
Harikeśa: No, no, they're not breaking. They made a big door so that you can walk straight in from the outside. You saw that door yesterday. Now what they're doing is building shelves and bookcases.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: "Point ten. Blitz: It has started taking interest in politics. It has started a political party in U.S.A. called "In God We Trust" party. ISKCON: ISKCON is not involved in politics at all anywhere in the world. Two American devotees did contest some civic elections for which a party called 'In God We Trust' was formed. The purpose of that campaign was to remind everyone to remember the Lord at all times, as everything belongs to God. Our spiritual master dissolved In God We Trust party in U.S.A. four years ago. Furthermore, there were never any plans to set up In God We Trust in India. We challenge Blitz to show us any evidence to support their claim. Point eleven. Blitz: As far back as 1971, the Maharastra government has taken action against the foreign devotees who have chosen to overstay in Bombay and elsewhere. ISKCON: This statement is also incorrect. The Maharastra government has never taken any action against our devotees. Point twelve. Blitz: The government has decided to stop specialized facilities rendered to foreign devotees seeking to popularize Kṛṣṇa in India. ISKCON: We are very grateful to the government of India for giving us facilities for spreading Kṛṣṇa consciousness. The government has not withdrawn any special facilities that have been given to us earlier. So I'm sure you can see by now the extent to which Blitz has misreported ISKCON activities in India. Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu said that one day in every town and village of the world this Hare Kṛṣṇa movement would be spread. The Vedic culture is India's real heritage and we want to popularize it in every corner of the world. Even in black Africa we have locals that have joined."
Prabhupāda: Every corner of the world for world peace.
Prabhupāda: Still.
Haṁsadūta: They're still faithful to culture.
Hari-śauri: Unless we get the farm, this farming scheme set up within the next...
Prabhupāda: We are getting so many.
Hari-śauri: We're getting the farms but we haven't got the management so...
Prabhupāda: Management that is in your hands. You have to... Who will give you management? You have to manage local, local men. Bon Mahārāja was failure that he could not get the local men. But I did not try to bring men from India and preach in England or America.
Guest: Their whole set-up, their whole economy is...
Prabhupāda: The millions of liquor manufacturers, breweries, millions of gambling houses, so, cigarette factories, so theoretically if this movement is successful then whole civilization is finished. So they are now looking... Because these young men have taken seriously so they are threatened and they are making a strong party to fight with us. They cannot safely say that (indistinct) this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement they are (indistinct) a charge against my movement or me that I am kidnapping young men. That is their (indistinct). I am not kidnapping, I am not going to their house to kidnap.
Prabhupāda: No, no. Not in the temple. I... I want... If the wordings are all right, so there is no... If there is no mistake in the set-up of the wording, the change of musical tune, that is not harmful.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: This one tape that Alex has made, he gave me a copy in Bombay to listen. I just played it...
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa, this vibration, you can make in different tune. We are already doing that.
Hari-śauri: We're talking about these songs that they are writing.
Jagadīśa: Philosophy songs.
Hari-śauri: There's another one just coming up now which explains the philosophy in more detail. The films were to show general activities, that was The Hare Kṛṣṇa People. The new film was to show the farming scheme that Prabhupāda set up in New Vrindaban, and many other farms we have now. And there was one other film to show how the books are produced and then delivered to the public. So gradually more and more are coming out.
Mr. Malhotra: You know one thing I have found that there is spotless cleanliness in the centers. Whereas in our temples here in India, even when we go to Hardwar and Hrishikesh and all these, the temples, the outer cleanliness, not proper emphasis is given by the management.
Prabhupāda: I stress on this cleanliness very much. If they keep unclean, I chastise them like anything. (laughing) They have learned this art. I always say, "Cleanliness is next to godliness."
Prabhupāda: They cannot give any real position. They are studying so many molecules, so many atoms, so many this, so many... They are mixing... They are... That is already going on. How it is going on? Who has set up the machine going on? That they do not know.
Yogi Amrit Desai: Right. They don't know the key part of it.
Prabhupāda: Neither they can set up similar arrangement. They're simply studying.
Yogi Amrit Desai: They can study what is, but they do not know how it came about.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So where is jñāna? Ajñāna.
Prabhupāda: So you do that. Get the help of composition and monotype.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. This is the biggest... The Teachings of Lord Caitanya I gave for composing four months ago, and still they're going so slow.
Prabhupāda: The hand set-up is not...?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, but in Delhi I could not find any. The only one in Delhi who has mono is Times of India, and it's very difficult to get it done. So I had no alternative.
Prabhupāda: In Calcutta there are many.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: I found out that in Allahabad there are a lot for Hindi. But then we had to have somebody over there.
Prabhupāda: Allahabad.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. That is wanted.
Jagadīśa: ...and let them set up a small center in their house or purchase one storefront.
Prabhupāda: If one is convinced about this favorably, that is success. It doesn't matter what dress. Let him teach his family, and the neighborhood. Let them do their own business. It doesn't matter. That is... Let them understand Kṛṣṇa, Kṛṣṇa science. That is wanted. Do that program. Make that program. He is coming, Rāmeśvara. Take to it very seriously. (break) I can cycle even now. In our childhood... I had car, but my nephew was driving. I never drove. In 1925, I purchased one Buick car.
Prabhupāda: How everything is nice. See the ap, sky, how viśala (vast) and how nice by Kṛṣṇa. Pūrṇam idam. (break) The vṛkṣa-yoni is condemned. By Kṛṣṇa's arrangement the vṛkṣas are also so nicely set up, it becomes beautiful.
Dr. Patel: They're all the representatives of Kṛṣṇa's creation. This is perfect.
Prabhupāda: Pūrṇam. Pūrṇam idam. Pūrṇam adaḥ (Īśopaniṣad, Invocation).
Dr. Patel: It was a challenge to one scientist who taught nonsense...
Prabhupāda: Well... What...?
Prabhupāda: That's nice.
Rāmeśvara: Actually in Belgium the National Museum has also set up in their main window a display of your books. And that's very good for a museum, because they do not sell there, but they are considering it so important and scholarly that they are displaying them for the public to see.
Prabhupāda: That is good recommendation, yes. If that museum is so important, so to keep our books there is prestigious. In Europe, America, it is going on nice. Now here we have to take advantage of these papers. So I have already given Jagadīśa the idea. Now you immediately put into effect. You keep that also with your papers, this format. Yes.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: So what I've told them, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is they can get the composing done in Bengal, Calcutta, then send it to me, like I get the Hindi composing done in Vṛndāvana and mail it to Bombay for printing. So it is cheaper and good quality, plus we have the whole department set up. One boy, Pippalai, he just takes care of technical aspects. And we have a shipping department all set up now. Two boys work just on the shipping.
Prabhupāda: So supply department keep in one place.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. And we have very good...
Prabhupāda: In other places it is...
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: They don't have the men, and we have good...
Prabhupāda: No. They supply all supplies. The orders should be supplied from one place.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: We're getting up to two months' credit on printing books. Everything is nicely set up.
Prabhupāda: But keep your credit.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. I have very good credit, even with the paper manufacturers. They just give us the paper right away. We have very good credit at the moment because...
Prabhupāda: What is that? You were asking something?
Prabhupāda: So kindly send me as much as possible. Therefore these farming projects will be very nice.
Rāmeśvara: That'll be great, if we can use the money... Do you think I should set up a separate account for the records, so that all the profit is used for food distribution?
Prabhupāda: Why not? Very good idea.
Rāmeśvara: So that will be a special means of raising money for prasāda.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Rāmeśvara: This idea will be very popular with the devotees.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. So now you can distribute...
Gargamuni: We could have very big prasādam distribution there, in Purī. Right on the beach we could set up a whole prasāda distribution.
Prabhupāda: If you arrange for prasāda distribution, you become very popular.
Rāmeśvara: None of the tourists who are Westerners ever takes Jagannātha prasādam, do they?
Prabhupāda: No, if there is good prasādam, they'll take.
Gargamuni: Tourists... We'll send in the sweet shops, but...
Prabhupāda: If they understand they are very palatable.
Prabhupāda: That's all. And eating the fetus. So civilized, advanced, scientists. (laughs) Just see. Ludicrous.
Nanda-kumāra: They found another book where Jesus spoke about reincarnation, about transmigration of the soul, but that was also omitted by the early... When Jesus set up the disciplic succession...
Rāmeśvara: What book is that?
Nanda-kumāra: I read it in a theologians thing...
Gargamuni: But nobody know about these things. It's the Aquarian Gospel.
Rāmeśvara: That's not accepted.
Gargamuni: See, there's no disciplic succession, so no one can really know the actual truth.
Hari-śauri: In Australia they've only got thirteen million people in the whole country, and it's bigger than America. And in Canada also, they only have a few million. And in Russia they don't have such a big population for the size of the land. But because they've set up these national divisions, then in one place they're killing the population...
Prabhupāda: No... Vedic process is that unless you create nice children or you can give them protection from death, don't create children. Brahmacārī. Remain brahmacārī. That is sensible, that "Why shall I beget children like cats and dogs if I cannot take care of them properly?" That is very gentlemanly. What is this? I create and kill? Most uncivilized. Don't create. That is civilized man. "If I cannot take care of them properly, I'll not create children."
Prabhupāda: That is the... So I am setting up the flower, but who has made this flower? That is... I do not know. But somebody has made. You have to accept. Because you are somebody, you are trying to make more beautiful by setting up the different flowers, so who has made the flower? That is intelligent. But mūḍho nābhijānāti. The rascals, they do not.
Yogeśvara: They're not interested to know.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Yogeśvara: They have no interest to know.
Prabhupāda: That means more rascaldom. That is intelligence, they "I am trying to make the flowers more beautiful by setting up in this way, then who has made these beautiful flowers?" That is intelligence. There must be some brain. That is intelligence. That is philosophy. Philosophy means to search out the ultimate?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Absolute truth.
Prabhupāda: That's it. Janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1). This is philosophy. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. That is philosophy. Philosophy is the science of science. Sarva-kāraṇa-kāraṇam (Bs. 5.1). The science of science.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One of our devotees in California was kidnapped out of the airport. She was distributing books in the airport in San Francisco, and because the court gave an order to the parents that "For thirty days you can take your daughter and commit her," so they have brought her to Arizona, where they have a special center set up for deprogramming, legal psychological tests. So for thirty days they ran these... They did some... We don't know what's going on there, some horrible things. Now the girl has sent a letter, and it showed that she is no longer in a devotional attitude. She said, "I'm very glad that I was rescued. Otherwise I would have been made to collect money all my life for your society, and now I'm saved from this."
Prabhupāda: She had been dictated to write like that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, yes. But probably they did some brain thing to her.
Prabhupāda: That is brainwash.
Prabhupāda: And in Bombay-before we get bad name—then it is lost.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everything has to be set up beforehand perfectly.
Prabhupāda: If required, we shall appoint professional man and keep everything very vigilant; things are going. Otherwise, once bad reputation—finished, so much attempt.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Our Mr. Chagriya should be able to give a lot of guidance and advice. I spoke with him a few years ago.
Prabhupāda: But he did not. Theoretical.
Prabhupāda: Our men can do it.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. But in BBT in Los Angeles.
Hari-śauri: They're all set up to do the whole thing, to do the artwork and print it very nicely. Gopāla's artwork is just... He gets the color separations from America.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That is only disadvantage here. Otherwise he's ready to print. That they can do fast.
Prabhupāda: So there is no harm. We can do there.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Where? In Los Angeles? But I don't know. Things are too slow in the West to communicate.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Gargamuni: I was trying to point out that it is common to set up some avatāra, some man as avatāra. They also called us Gaura-Nitāi in Bangladesh, myself and Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa, because they never saw white sādhus before in their lives. And because of our light complexion, they referred us to as Gaura-Nitāi.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So ask Upendra to come. Let him be trained up.
Bhavānanda: Kṣīra-corā-gopīnātha is going to put some of your lectures in English script Bengali so I can give lectures. Is that all right?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "Electronics complex for women entrepreneurs is being set up in Tamil Nadu."
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He said the object of the scheme was to attract women entrepreneurs by providing them special...
Prabhupāda: Entrepreneurs?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Business people. "Mr. Raja Gopalan said that the scheme would soon be advertised for attracting women by providing them special intrastructural facilities to operate as a closely knit unit."
Prabhupāda: Abortion. What is that abortion?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: BBT, yes. They had a meeting in Māyāpur discussing some common points of interest and concerns. It says, "We will anxiously be awaiting a report on Śrīla Prabhupāda's reaction to the various points, and it would be good if you sent copies to all the trustees directly if there are any urgent points. I am going to L.A. in a few weeks, at which time I will make it my business, as one of the US trustees, to look into the Press matter. I will send a report after doing so. I also share your concern in this matter. I am going to France in a few days and will send a report on my findings. I am especially concerned to see that BBT be set up along standard lines. I have heard that Śrīla Prabhupāda's health has improved somewhat. Please be so kind as to send reports on this from time to time, as all the devotees are very much concerned. We are all praying to Lord Nṛsiṁha-deva that His Divine Grace's health will be completely restored. I remain your servant, Jayatīrtha dāsa. P.S. I will be visiting Africa in May." This letter is dated 25th March.
Prabhupāda: March?
Prabhupāda: We go there for imitating their technology. But who comes here to learn something?
Mr. Rajda: Quite right, quite right.
Prabhupāda: But we have got. The example is already set up. These boys, they have not come here for learning your cycle manufacturing. They have enough of it.
Mr. Rajda: That matter of cycle he is doing.
Prabhupāda: And we are proud of manufacturing cycle and sewing machine. So that is my request, that I have started it. Make it an organized institution that the people from all parts of the world...
Prabhupāda: About Rāmāyaṇa. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam there is reference of Rāmāyaṇa. Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam is the last writing of Vyāsadeva.
Ram Jethmalani: In last writing it may contain, but between the two of them, there is no cross reference of any kind. Now, a personality like Kṛṣṇa, when first set up, it must have become a phenomena at least.
Girirāja: But in the Gītā Kṛṣṇa says... He describes His different vibhūtis, and there He says, "I am Rāma."
Prabhupāda: "Amongst the warriors, I am Rāma." The reference is there. This very word is there. "Amongst the warriors, I am Rāma."
Prabhupāda: Yes. People are everywhere good. Simply some politicians, they make them bad.
Dr. Sharma: The top politicians, they come in the way. They stop these things. They had a yoga class institute set up in the Moscow University, and when they came to bhakti-yoga, they realized that spiritualism's involved. So at the earliest they get rid of this.
Prabhupāda: One book is published, what is that religion?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Anthology.
Prabhupāda: Anthology. So in that book they have given quotation from my books.
Prabhupāda: Loan, that's all right. Whatever loan you have, let us see how you are paying.
Rāmeśvara: He is already paying the money back to an account that has been set up with him and Gopāla in Calcutta.
Prabhupāda: How much he has returned?
Rāmeśvara: How much have you paid back originally?
Jayapatākā: Only one payment has come through. I paid the first thing.
Rāmeśvara: No, no, no, of the seventy thousand.
Jayapatākā: No. Seventy thousand? We have no debt with BBT. We're paid up.
Rāmeśvara: How much have you paid so far?
Prabhupāda: That requires management. That requires management, how...
Mr. Myer: Once one takes up a certain life...
Prabhupāda: ...to set up things, how to come...
Mr. Myer: ...even one is slipping...
Prabhupāda: So do nicely. And as far as our capacity is there, kṛṣṇārthe akhila-ceṣṭaḥ. Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā śreya-ācaraṇaṁ sadā. Janma-sāphalyam... Etāvaj janma-sāphalyam. Do it. Do this. Prāṇair arthair dhiyā vācā śreya-ācaraṇam. This is..., should be... This should be the motto, how we engage our life, our money, our intelligence, our words, to improve Kṛṣṇa consciousness. That is success. Varṇāśrama-vibhāgaśaḥ saṁsiddhir hari-toṣaṇam (SB 1.2.13). What is that verse, beginning?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How the vaiśya community lives, how the different varṇas and āśramas function together, and what their responsibilities are to each other. We're trying to set up our Gītā-nagarī community based upon the teachings which you've given in your books. It is very enlivening and stimulating meeting. Dhṛṣṭadyumna Mahārāja will be coming tomorrow with his brother. And he has designed the very ideal plan for all of the varṇas and āśramas to live together.
Prabhupāda: Hm. Do it.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Jaya.
Prabhupāda: So go on.
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: My brother is an architect, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and he's helping us to design the community plan for the small village and the temple. He's working very hard to help set up an ideal Vedic community.
Prabhupāda: Keep always engaged yourself in Kṛṣṇa activity. That is wanted. Jaya. (break) ...yad yad ācarati... (BG 3.21). You can give me two teaspoon glucose.
Brahmānanda: Two teaspoons?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Glucose.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. So it will be about a hundred. These are all mostly professors, very few students. There's about four or five. All are professors. Some of them wanted to help me start a center in Delhi of our Bhaktivedanta Institute. They told me they can help me in setting up one center in Delhi. There's one Professor Malsanda, he's the head of the physiology department.
Prabhupāda: Why not take the chance?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Also, while I was typing in the Connaught Place, some business man came and he saw the letterhead saying "Bhaktivedanta Institute." Then he asked me later on, "What is this institute?" Then I told him Prabhupāda's projects and plans. And he was very sincere and serious. He was a big businessman. And he wanted to help me in setting up one center in Delhi.
Prabhupāda: So take this opportunity. And we will supply the place, suitable place? It will be very prestigious in Delhi.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Delhi is like Washington, D.C.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: All embassies.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: And also I have set up one round-table debating conference in the Indian Academy of Sciences. That will be right after the conference in Delhi.
Prabhupāda: Rāma?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Round-table conference. There will be other scientists from Delhi, like D. S. Kotari. D. S. Kotari is the ex-chairman of University Grants Commission. He's a very well known physicist. He's a very interested... I think he's the most interested in India in our field. He's retired and very respected. All Indian scientific community... Actually, this was his idea, that we set up a round-table conference in Indian National Science Academy. So we agreed to that.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, well, I haven't heard very much opposition.
Gurukṛpā: He asked, "Is there any questions?" but no one really...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's got to be set up in a different way, in my opinion. There has to be from the beginning an opportunity for an opposing speaker to speak.
Harikeśa: Yes. This man isn't going to speak until Sunday, the opposition.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But each lecture should have an opposing speaker. That's my point. They should begin with an opposing speaker, and then our man should speak, refuting what he says. And then the audience should be allowed to ask questions of either person who they choose. Then it will become... Otherwise it's very one-sided. It doesn't appear to be as objective.
Prabhupāda: Dr. Kapoor came?
Bhāgavata: We had one big book table set up in the conference hall yesterday with all of your books, all of your Śrīmad-Bhāgavatams, all the Caitanya-caritāmṛtas, and that bronze statue of yourself was there. And the books by the scientists, by Sadāpūta dāsa and by Svarūpa Dāmodara, which were explaining the scientific theories in light of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, all those books were there, and the scientists were appreciating them very much.
Abhirāma: When news gets out, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that you've started to translate again, all the devotees are going to be ecstatic. They'll feel like their life has come back. It will remind us of... Just like Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja. He was in such a condition that he couldn't move practically from his lying position, nor could he see. So many senses were failing. But he spoke or wrote down such an incredible book. (break)
Prabhupāda: Bhagatji?
Prabhupāda: Pick up the words? Set up in right place. It will be nice. In this way, slow but sure. Then, even in this condition, I can help you. There is no question of hurrying. Finish one verse, husband and wife, one day. And make it everything clear. Eh?
Pradyumna: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: Vīrarāghavācārya, Sanātana Gosvāmī, Viśvanātha Cakravartī. We are just trying to explain their ideas. We are teeny.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Previously, ahead of time, yes. Or we could come back every day. The only thing I don't like about doing that, if we stay with someone else, then it is too much botheration for Your Divine Grace. I know that, because everyone will want darśana. My idea was to camp... Not to camp where there was any place, but to camp on our own, in the field or wherever. Bring some tents, set up the tent.
Prabhupāda: Not to advertise.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. I don't want to advertise. And I was thinking not to stay at anybody else's temple. To stay on our own. Then no one will disturb.
Prabhupāda: Yes. All right.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But you have not sent the money, Vrindavan. So why you're worried about the letter reaching late? First of all send the money, then worry about it. There's no worry. Once you send the money, the letter will come. I don't think that you can doubt that the letter will come. The main point is that the money has to come first. You have no reason to suppose that the letter will be delayed. It will come. They already know it. As soon as they receive five thousand rupees, the BBT, Bombay, will immediately inform Māyāpur, "Five thousand rupees been received. The car may be given." They know that. It's set up. It's a set-up. And you have to live up to your side to pay the five thousand rupees. It's not very much. It's not that much.
Prabhupāda: Now, with the help of Tamāla Kṛṣṇa and who else? Chandra. You can...
Prabhupāda: How many rooms?
Girirāja: About nine big rooms. And they do street saṅkīrtana every day in the main street, and they distribute literature. And the Society is not yet registered there, but I went with Prabhaviṣṇu to a lawyer, and we've set up the formalities for getting registered, but the government is presently reviewing the registration law, so it might take a few weeks before they accept our case.
Prabhupāda: On the whole, it is favorable. Hm?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Set up the chair. He'll be coming in a minute or two.
Prabhupāda: Get one small light.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No Śatadhanya, the one on the right. On the right.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he hasn't come in yet, Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali)
Kṛṣṇa dāsa Bābājī: (Bengali)
| Page Title: | Set up (Conversations) |
| Compiler: | Visnu Murti, RupaManjari |
| Created: | 08 of Dec, 2011 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=113, Let=0 |
| No. of Quotes: | 113 |