Prabhupāda: No, no. The father, father . . . the first thing is that why do you send your sons to the school? It is the duty that he should know. So if the father is a rascal, then how the son can be subodha? (laughter) Therefore the śāstra says that unless you can train your son to overcome this process of birth, death, old . . . don't become a father. You remain a rascal. Don't beget children. This is contraception. Pitā na sa syāj jananī na sā syāt na mocayed yaḥ samupeta-mṛtyum (SB 5.5.18). The real problem is mṛtyu. But they have taken it that "It is ordinary thing." But nobody wants to die. The education is na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). But who knows that I do not die after the destruction of the body? Then why I am put into this position that I have to change this body, I have to die? This question does not arise. Therefore they're abodha. The instruction is, na jāyate na mriyate vā kadācit na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). There is no inquiry that "If I'm not born, why I am born in this body?" This is question. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. "If I am not subjected to death, then why I am dying?" This question does not arise at all. Therefore everyone is abodha-jāto. Nobody is subodha. Everyone is abodha. The problem is there, but he does not inquire.
Indian lady (daughter of Surendra Kumar): Excuse me. Mahārāja, don't you think it's high time that some of our Indian philosophy or Indian religion, some classes should be started in schools like they used to have and missionaries used to have scripture classes in schools. There should be in all the schools, I mean, classes on our own religion instead of learning somebody else's.
Prabhupāda: It is not only . . . when we say that dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā . . . (BG 2.13), so as this boy, he was a child, now he has become a boy, then after few years he'll become a young man, and then he'll become middle-aged man, then he'll become old man—so this is not "Our religion," "Your religion." This is fact, scientific. When Bhagavad-gītā says, dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā, that is not meant for the so-called Hindus. It is meant for the Muslim, meant for the Christian, everyone. It is science. Religion is a kind of faith. That they describe. But religion is also not a blind faith. Religion means the order of God. That is religion. Dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam (SB 6.3.19). Just like law means the order of the state. Similarly, religion means the order of God. So if you have no conception of God, if you do not know what is God, what is order, then where is religion? It is all bogus.
Son of Surendra Kumar: What my sister was saying was that most of the parents do not understand.
Prabhupada:Yes.
Son of Surendra Kumar: How they should bring up their progeny.
Prabhupāda: Then at least they . . .
Daughter of Surendra Kumar: Children should have . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupada: At least, the children should be . . . therefore I'm starting that gurukula in Vṛndāvana. So you come, you manage that, take the ideas, make your children . . . whatever mistake is done is done. Now why the mistake should continue? Rectify it.
Indian man: Swamiji isme ek fark ye padta hai nah, agar hum apne aap karte hai toh secularism mai nahi aata hai. Swamiji, the difference it makes is that if we do that then it doesn't comes under secularism.
Prabhupāda: Then kick out secularism. Kick out secularism.
Indian man: Wo scientific nahi hai. It is not scientific.
Prabhupada: Science. It is science.
Indian man: Science is nothing. What is God, what is nature, what is soul.
Son of Surendra Kumar: You don't give it the name of one particular way. You simply deal it with the basic idea of transforming the human . . .
Prabhupāda: That I have already explained. When a child becomes a boy, there is no question of secularism. It is science. It is fact. Can you by secularism stop a child growing to become a boy? When I was explaining in South Africa, this thing, one Arya-samaji friend, he criticized me, that "Why you are bringing Hindu ideas?" So I said, "Is it Hindu ideas? A child grows to become a boy. It is Hindu idea? Why you are so fool you're calling Hindu idea?" A child grows to become a boy. This is science.
Son of Surendra Kumar: The law of nature.
Prabhupada: Yes.
Dr. Shaligram Shukla: Dehino 'smin yathā dehe kaumāraṁ yauvanaṁ jarā, tathā dehāntara-prāptir (BG 2.13). Naturally . . .
Prabhupāda: But because it is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā, they take it Hindu idea. This is nonsense.
Indian man: Our approach is so wrong that people take it as . . .
Prabhupāda: Immediately we can pass in a sectarian . . .
Daughter of Surendra Kumar: That is why it is necessary to have this as a part of social studies like you have other subjects in schools. If it is not given any more . . .
Prabhupāda: But then, as soon as you say " Bhagavad-gītā," immediately, "Hindu."