Prabhupāda: It can be organized. The children should be raised Kṛṣṇa devotees. The woman can be engaged. Everyone can be engaged. I can give you suggestion if you can execute.
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Conversations and Morning Walks
1976 Conversations and Morning Walks
Morning Walk -- March 8, 1976, Mayapur:
Siddha-svarūpa: I don't know anything about it, and I don't really care about organizing it. I don't care about...
Prabhupāda: So why don't you become a GBC and...
Siddha-svarūpa: Because I can't work... There's no way.
Morning Walk -- March 17, 1976, Mayapura:
Dharmādhyakṣa: There was one Kṛṣṇa-kṛpā Brahmacārī. You met him a few years ago, told him to come here, and he saw the prasāda room. He said he has never seen such a well-organized prasādam room, prasādam distribution. Everyone was very well disciplined and what-not. He was very impressed. He'll be coming today at five p.m. He was a physics professor at some college in Calcutta.
Prabhupāda: No, no, all this credit goes to Jayapatākā Mahārāja. Yes. He is struggling from the very beginning. Others who were in the beginning, they have all gone away.
Room Conversation -- April 27, 1976, Auckland, New Zealand:
Prabhupāda: Then he can organize so many signatures.
Room Conversation -- May 4, 1976, Honolulu:
Prabhupāda: Now, this New York restaurant being organized, other restaurant will follow.
Guru-kṛpā: This restaurant down here, I just was there. Gaura-govinda, he's the one who decorated it. First class. People really like it.
Prabhupāda: From the very beginning I was asking to open restaurant and farm. Produce ghee in the farm and send to the restaurant, and make nice samosā, kachori preparation, and there will be no scarcity of money. And if you organize in this way, your whole country will be transferred into Kṛṣṇa conscious country. Whole country. So, what about your China program?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, we went to New York to meet with Dhṛṣṭadyumna Mahārāja's father, and he was very helpful. We approached him in a frank way, and he immediately got the help of his office. He's the president of this Far East American Council.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Room Conversation -- May 7, 1976, Honolulu:
Prabhupāda: Mm. We are not very anxious to get done immediately, we shall do slowly.
Guru-kṛpā: So we are, me and Tamāla Kṛṣṇa, we have organized the saṅkīrtana here. The saṅkīrtana should increase about ten times. Before they were doing three hundred dollars a day, now they should be doing at about one thousand three hundred dollars a day.
Prabhupāda: That is nice.
Room Conversation -- May 7, 1976, Honolulu:
Guru-kṛpā: Someone has to organize for the construction though. That's the main thing, then later the inside.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In Māyāpur they are completing the, um, that building? They had begun that long residential building.
Prabhupāda: Which one?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The one while we were there.
Prabhupāda: Uhuḥ.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I remember they were doing the first, ground floor, I think you told them to.
Prabhupāda: They are completing.
Morning Walk -- June 5, 1976, Los Angeles:
Prabhupāda: With man is dangerous for both. I, I have given that: man is good, woman is good, when they come together-bad. Both of them bad.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bad. We see that.
Rāmeśvara: They say that that farmland in Oregon is too small, very small.
Prabhupāda: Let them organize that.
Morning Walk -- June 5, 1976, Los Angeles:
Prabhupāda: But it was a good organization, that's all. On account of good organization, it was going on. But there was no life. The Marwaris, they can organize business very nicely.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: First-class, yes. Same thing with even someone like Swami Chinmoyananda's group. It is organized nicely, but there is no...
Prabhupāda: No, no more organization also.
Room Conversation Excerpt -- June 8, 1976, Los Angeles:
Prabhupāda: Hitler one side, fought with the Britishers, smashed them. This is one cause. Another cause: Hitler helped Subhas Chandra Bose to organize I.N.A. Two causes, the Britishers to go away. Otherwise, Gandhi's noncooperation movement was started in 1917, and we got our independence in 1947.
Indian Man: Thirty years.
Prabhupāda: Thirty years he could not do anything. And Subhas Chandra Bose in 1940 or '42, he went out of India and organized this I.N.A with the help of Hitler, and the Britishers were obliged to leave India. What do you think? That is my estimation.
Indian Man: Yes, I think so too. Yes, and he is also...
Prabhupāda: And Hitler not only helped Subhas Chandra Bose to organize this I.N.A. organization, but by fighting with the Britishers, he smashed... The British lion was bandaged. There was a cartoon picture. I've seen in that way. The lion is lying down and bandaged, (makes some gestures) here and here and here, there, patched: British lion. (laughter) That's a fact.
Morning Walk -- June 9, 1976, Los Angeles:
Rāmeśvara: It is written in the Caitanya-caritāmṛta that when Lord Caitanya entered this universe, the entire universe was blessed, or benefited. So I'm wondering how Lord Caitanya's movement is going on on other planets other than this planet. Is there some organized saṅkīrtana?
Prabhupāda: Yes. How other planetary system is going on, you do not know, but we can guess it is going on like this. Anumāna. Pratyakṣa anumāna. One thing is direct perception, another by guessing. Pratyakṣa anumāna and śabda and śruti, aitihya. There are so many evidences. Harer nāma harer nāma (CC Adi 17.21). Śrī kṛṣṇa caitanya prabhu...
Rāmeśvara: Devotees once told me you said that the demigods like this movement very much so that they're standing in line to take their birth in the Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They like to come here on this planet. Just like you Kṛṣṇa conscious men, you are very much enthusiastic to go to India. India has no material attraction, but why our men wanted to go to India in spite of so many difficulties? Similarly, in the higher planet, heavenly planet, they are so much engrossed with material happiness that there is no facility. But here there is facility, in this earth, Bhūrloka. Bhogaiśvarya-prasaktānāṁ tayāpahṛta-cetasām (BG 2.44). One who is too much attached to material convenience and everything, they have no opportunity for Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Morning Walk -- June 11, 1976, Los Angeles:
Prabhupāda: Germany is little recouped, but England is finished. Therefore I say India got independence not due to Gandhi. It is due to Hitler. That is my opinion. I have got reason. The Hitler fighting with England made them smashed, so their political power became nil almost, and on this opportunity, Hitler helped Subash Chandra Bose, one of the leaders of India, to organize Indian National Army. This Indian National Army, when attacked, at least made a show of attack from Imphala(?), especially on Calcutta dropped bombs, and the whole Calcutta became vacant. Perhaps myself and a few others remained. I sent my sons.... Of course, daughter was married, but they sent to Navadvīpa, Śrīdhara Mahārāja's āśrama. My wife refused to go out of Calcutta. She said, "I'll be bombed maybe, but I'll not go out." (laughs) So I had to remain in Calcutta. So I've seen bombing and Calcutta all vacant. And one day I was eating in the evening, at night—immediately bombing. Kachori... I was hungry, (laughs) but the eating finished.
Morning Walk -- June 11, 1976, Los Angeles:
Prabhupāda: Almost daily. But it was meant for bombing the European quarters. So when the Britishers saw that "Now this Subash Bose has organized I.N.A...." I.N.A. was organized by Subash Chandra Bose. Outside India, all the Indians, they contributed money, especially from Singapore. Singapore, Hong Kong, this side..., all the Indians, they contribute sufficiently. And he got men from the fighting Indians soldiers. The Britishers, they were fighting with Indian soldiers, with Germany and Japan and others. So the contract with Hitler and Subash Bose was this, that "All the Indian soldiers which you arrest in the war, please give me them. Then I shall organize." So the soldiers, when they understood they're being arrested—"We shall go to Indian side"—they voluntarily surrendered. So Hitler, all others, Hitler and Japan, Tojo, arrest them and give it to Subash Chandra Bose, and he was organizing in Singapore.
Room Conversation -- June 15, 1976, Detroit:
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Okay. "According to Ṛddha dāsa brahmacārī, head of the local mission, the festival of the chariots glorifies Lord Jagannātha. The Lord of the universe and the chanting of the Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra by people of all ethnic and religious backgrounds in cities in the world over has turned into a truly international event. Durban, with its large Hindu population, is aware of the divine status of Lord Kṛṣṇa, and we pray that by organizing our own chariot festival, we will be able to extend our message to a wider audience."
Prabhupāda: Do it immediately; they are eager. Begin this year. Yes, they'll get life, the Hindus. Immediately advise them. Just like I began in San Francisco on the truck. You know that? So you can begin in that way.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: That was the first ratha cart?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I suggested Śyāmasundara that on a truck you make a ratha-like dome, and put this. It was successful.
Room Conversation -- June 15, 1976, Detroit:
Prabhupāda: No, rather, that was second or third. In the beginning, it was in a truck. So if the people are eager, you immediately organize.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Okay.
Hari-śauri: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Did you want to go out into the garden tonight or not?
Prabhupāda: I have no objection.
Morning Walk -- June 17, 1976, Toronto:
Hari-śauri: We used to have a Reverend who was in charge of our local church when I was a child. And when we used to go on outings, sometimes they used to organize outings for children to the seaside and everything, and they would stop at a public house and they would give refreshments. So all the children would get lemonade, like that, and the grown-ups would go and drink some beer or something. So the...
Prabhupāda: Their father, mother drinking, and the child is given some soft drinking. And learning how to drink when he'll grow up.
Room Conversation -- June 17, 1976, Toronto:
Jagadīśa: We have some good, qualified people, and I'm organizing...
Prabhupāda: I saw some machine purchased, some, for publishing some...
Jagadīśa: Printing machine.
Prabhupāda: Printing. Why this is going on?
Jagadīśa: Those were purchased before I got involved.
Prabhupāda: That means money was spent unnecessarily, without any tangible result. Now Dayānanda left. He was there.... Without any consideration, he left. So what to do with all these things?
Jagadīśa: I think I have it under control.
Prabhupada Visits Palace and Garden -- June 22, 1976, New Vrindaban:
Prabhupāda: Changing New Vrindaban. It is already organized, New Vrindaban? (in car:) Little further.
Kīrtanānanda: We're trying to clear all this now too.
Prabhupāda: This is ours?
Kīrtanānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Oh.
Kīrtanānanda: It takes a long time to clear it, though.
Prabhupāda: Never mind. Do slowly, that is pleasure.
Garden Discussion on Bhagavad-gita Sixteenth Chapter -- June 26, 1976, New Vrindaban:
Dhṛṣṭadyumna: Mafia, organized criminals, organized like businessmen. They are controlling the politicians by money. But although they are exposing, still it goes on. It is worse than ever.
Prabhupāda: What is that? Explain further.
Hari-śauri: The Mafia is an organization that was originally coming from Sicily. They were an organized group of men that would control all the politics in the area by manipulation of money and businessmen.
Devotee (1): And violence.
Hari-śauri: And violence. So many things they'd do. They used to organize all the heroin that comes into the country, like this, for revenue, to get revenue, money. So many things. And places like Las Vegas, which is a big gambling city, that is also run by the Mafia. They control all the casinos and they control the police, they pay everyone off, like that, and if they don't agree, they kill them. So like this, their influence is spread everywhere, any illegal things that are going on.
Prabhupāda: Terrorism.
Garden Conversation -- June 27, 1976, New Vrindaban:
Prabhupāda: They have not done. Has everyone got the president's power? How do they say that you have done. Everyone equal? That is not possible. These are imagination. Mano-rathenasato dhāvato bahiḥ Everything is there in the Bhāgavatam. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. These rascals who are not Kṛṣṇa conscious, they have no value. They are simply speculating within the mind, mano-rathena, and they'll act all abominable, because they are on the mental platform. I'll say "I think like this," you'll say "I think like this." And nobody, none of us perfect. Then what is the use of your thinking like this or thinking like that? Both of them are imperfect. So if so many rascals sit together, or dogs, they simply bark, that's all. It has no value. So our propaganda is that "Don't remain in the dog platform. Come to the human platform." That is Kṛṣṇa consciousness. There you will get, "If we all dogs meet together and pass a resolution, then it will be organized." That is democracy. Democracy means like that. The dog is kept as dog, and they are assembled together to take their votes. What is the value of their vote? They are dogs.
Room Conversation -- July 7, 1976, Baltimore:
Prabhupāda: Of course, we are not very much concerned with the social affairs, but still, if we can organize society, that will be very good. That will be peaceful.
Evening Darsana -- July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C.:
Prabhupāda: In India, the varṇāśrama is there, but it is not organized because the government does not take care. The government is imitating Western way of life, "There is no need of brāhmaṇa, there is no need of kṣatriya, simply śūdras." Everywhere this is the position, the śūdra population, kalau śūdra sambhavaḥ. In this age everyone is a śūdra. So it doesn't matter, everyone is born śūdra, but he should be trained up. Just like in our practical life we see that everyone is not born a scientist or engineer or lawyer. Everyone is born innocent, child, then he's trained up by the guardians. Similarly, there should be a training how to become brāhmaṇa, how to become kṣatriya, how to become vaiśya. And the government should see that everyone, as he is trained up, he is working according to his quality and occupational duty. Then there will be complete peace and harmony. That human society is perfect.
Evening Darsana -- July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C.:
Prabhupāda: No, (indistinct). There is separate arrangement for management, but the idea and philosophy is the same. Ultimately, I am managing. I have my twenty secretaries, they are called GBC, they are assisting me to manage. Every GBC has got a certain number of temples to supervise, and ultimately, I supervise everything. Therefore I come occasionally, stay for few days to see how things are going on. I have got hundred temples, big, big temples, very nice. They have organized palatial buildings, but I cannot stay anywhere. (laughter)
Evening Darsana -- July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C.:
Prabhupāda: When they clear the land, we are going to construct a nice building for the school. As soon as it is done, then we will organize. Kaumāra ācaret prājño dharmān bhāgavatān... (SB 7.6.1). From the very beginning of life, this Bhāgavata principle should be trained. That is perfect. Brahmacārī guru-kule vasan dānto guror hitam (SB 7.12.1). They should be trained up how to read at the house of the spiritual master. They should be trained up how to control the senses, dānta. Dānta means to practice how to control the senses.
Room Conversation -- July 8, 1976, Washington, D.C.:
Prabhupāda: So organize here. Talk with the scientists and everyone here.
Dr. Sharma: I come two or three times a week for the temple, and I will be coming more.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Morning Walk -- July 13, 1976, New York:
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Therefore I wanted to organize the Gurukula very nicely. We have no objection. Let them produce hundreds of children.
Morning Walk -- July 13, 1976, New York:
Prabhupāda: Very nice. They should be trained up properly. Special care should be taken. That is the idea of my Guru Mahārāja, a Gurukula. Gurukula, we are not going to make some big, big scholars. We don't require scholars. We require ideal men by character, by behavior, by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Not by studying grammar. There are many grammarians. Let them study our books nicely, English, little Sanskrit, that's all. Gurukula organize like that. We don't want big, big scholars. Unnecessarily. There are so many scholars in the universities, drinking and woman-hunting, that's all. In the universities, I know, to get the degree, pass the examination, the girls have to adopt prostitution with the teachers, I know that.
Room Conversation -- July 18, 1976, New York:
Prabhupāda: The Christians cannot organize. (laughter)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You saw them. The only thing they were carrying was one sign like this. The sign said "Turn or Burn." It means turn to Jesus or burn. Turn or burn, burn in hell. That's their conception of God. Either God or burn in hell. We could give you a good rest here, also, Prabhupāda, because it's very easy to not... If the devotees could see you on Sunday, just like in the old days in Los Angeles... I mean everything could be nicely done, and you could still visit the European centers when you finally return to India. I mean they are not making such a big thing that you couldn't come later on. Oh, boy.
Prabhupāda: (laughing) Good determination.
Conversation with George Harrison -- July 26, 1976, London:
Prabhupāda: One German girl has prepared. We are introducing restaurants like this, and people are liking very much. We have got one restaurant in Hawaii, another restaurant we are organizing in Boston. That is being directly done by Alfred. You have met Alfred?
Gurudāsa: Alfred Ford, the grandson of Henry Ford.
George Harrison: No, I've never met him.
Prabhupāda: Oh. He is also a very nice boy. Of course, younger than you. He's only twenty-four years. What is your age now?
George Harrison: Thirty-three.
Prabhupāda: Thirty-three. That boy is also very nice young boy. Give Jayatīrtha? No?
George Harrison: Do you feed everybody who comes Sunday?
Prabhupāda: Sunday we have about five hundred to one thousand.
Conversation with George Harrison -- July 26, 1976, London:
Prabhupāda: But the Philadelphia is more organized.
Jayatīrtha: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Through the nozzles, milk carrying, always hot water is washing it.
Room Conversation -- July 27, 1976, London:
Prabhupāda: But they see practically that "We are theorizing while they're practically doing." So expand this farming project, self-help and peaceful life for spiritual culture. I saw that Philadelphia farm is better organized than all others.
Arrival at Farm -- July 29, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Organize this center very nicely. So many people will be happy.
Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Organize it and keep hundreds of books. They will live peacefully. But don't entangle in sinful activities. Then it will be all right. Such a nice place. The city residents cannot imagine. What a nonsense life—clubs, slaughterhouse, gambling places, drinking house. This is like hell. Try to save people from this hellish condition of life, without any knowledge, like animals. And nature therefore creates a wholesale slaughterhouse in war, to cut throat all—finished. Many millions and millions are finished. From 1914 to 1950, how many years?
Harikeśa: Thirty-six.
Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Any other Bhāgavata? Just see. Reference book must be always there. This is the principle of Gurukula. Now from this platform, on this understanding you have to organize.
Jyotirmāyī: You were saying that there are mainly three principles to learn: how to be obedient, how to know, read your books and be self-controlled. So that's what I explained to the teachers, that they should do that.
Prabhupāda: Guru says there are four principles to be followed, they should be taught in that way. No illicit sex, no gambling, no meat-eating, no intoxication. Guru says that you chant at least sixteen, that should be taught. Risen early, rise early in the morning, that should be taught. So whatever guru says, you have to teach them perfectly, from childhood; then there will be no deviation when they are grown-up.
Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Yes. That is the duty of the father and mother. Along with that, he can teach others also. These things are to be organized. But some way or other, our students should be given education and spiritual life, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Individually, collectively, somehow or other. The principle is laid down there, brahmacārī gurukule vasan dānto guror-hitam. That's the beginning. Everything is there, we have to simply follow it. We haven't got to manufacture anything. That is a waste of time. Whatever is there, you follow. Is that all right?
Devotees: All glories to Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)
Room Conversation -- July 31, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Yes. Do it organizedly. They understand French language?
Devotee (1): Yes, English and French. They are very close to Vietnam.
Prabhupāda: Very good. Take this opportunity.
Devotee (1): Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya.
Morning Walk Around Grounds -- August 2, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Devotee (3): No, it's from France. We started a few months ago. Everything now is organized in France.
Prabhupāda: These are all essential oils?
Devotee (3): Yes, this is all perfume here. We have pure sandalwood from India. It is getting very expensive now.
Devotee (2): This is our Indian package, Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa.
Devotee (4): We're changing the design on this package, we have Gopal Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: But it is nice, why you are changing it? Unnecessary spending is not... (break) ...the sticks?
Devotee (3): From China.
Room Conversation -- August 2, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa has given us many nice places. People can live very comfortably. There will be no scarcity. Cultivate Kṛṣṇa consciousness very seriously. That is wanted. Therefore in this old age I am struggling so much to see that things are going on nicely. So far I have seen, it is going on nice. But maybe the management is lacking. It may be the māyā is very strong. So be careful. All, you are all old students, and try to organize more and more solidly. The children should be taken, you can give lectures to the mothers, that children should be taken care of. They are future hopes. Child is the father of man. They say that we escape. What we are escaping? We have got all types of social society. There is gṛhastha, there is sannyāsī, there is brahmacārī. Whichever position is suitable, you accept and keep yourself sincere, that's all. Unnatural there is nothing. Is there anything unnatural? And if they think that we're prohibiting this meat-eating, this is unnatural, that we cannot. That is not unnatural, that is natural.
Room Conversation -- August 3, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is not possible for us. We welcome. But we must be well organized to utilize these poor souls for becoming first-class devotees. That should be done. Otherwise, sex life and the by-product, that is always troublesome, either you take this way or that way, it is troublesome. If it is not troublesome, why they are killing their own children? To avoid trouble. This is psychology. They want to avoid trouble. But our process is, if you want to avoid trouble, then don't marry, remain brahmacārī. If you cannot, then, all right, have legal wife, get children and raise them very nicely, make them Vaiṣṇavas, take the responsibility. So we are organizing this society, we welcome.
Room Conversation -- August 3, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Otherwise Jyotirmayī was suggesting the biology. What they'll do with biology? Don't introduce unnecessary nonsense things. Simple life. Simply to understand Kṛṣṇa. Simply let them be convinced that Kṛṣṇa is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, it is our duty to serve Him, that's all. Huh? (indistinct) What is that? māyār bośe, jāccho bhese' Khāccho hābuḍubu bhāi jīv kṛṣṇa-dās ei biśwās korle to ār duḥkho nāi. So organize. If you have got sufficient place, sufficient scope, let them be trained up very nicely. If some four, five centers like this there are in Europe, the whole face will be changed. Important places like Germany, France, England. Now we are getting place. I like that place, German, on account of this. It has got scope.
Room Conversation with Professor Francois Chenique -- August 5, 1976, New Mayapur (French farm):
Prabhupāda: Vāsudeve bhagavati bhakti-yogaḥ prayojitaḥ (SB 1.2.7), find out this verse. Janayaty āśu vairāgyam. I don't see Bhagavān dāsa. Why?
Bhūgarbha: He's organizing the ceremony for tomorrow.
Prabhupāda: The difference is, a bhakta, pure bhakta, he has jñāna. But a jñānī may not have bhakti.
Yogeśvara: Once Professor Chenique asked me whether we thought it was possible for a Christian like himself to also realize the perfection of Vaiṣṇavism.
Prabhupāda: Why not? Christianity in Vaiṣṇavism. Christianism is Vaiṣṇavism. Anyone who accepts the supremacy of God, he's a Vaiṣṇava. So Christian, Christianity, "God is great," they say. So that is Vaiṣṇavism, "God is great."
Morning Walk and Room Conversation -- August 9, 1976, Tehran:
Prabhupāda: No. Therefore you are rascal. Everything is done by somebody. Suppose if you organize one business. That is for your enjoyment. God has created anything, that is for His enjoyment. But you are sons of God, you can enjoy the property of the father as far as you require. Not more than, you cannot take more than that. Then other sons will claim and there will be fight. You live. You are son of God, you live at the expense of God. God has sufficient supply. But don't try to take more and stock. That is folly. You eat, you live very nicely. There is no prohibition. But you cannot take more than what you require. This is Bhāgavata communism. If you take more, you'll be punished. (break) ...our philosophy, Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Tena tyaktena bhuñjīthā (ISO 1). The Indians are trained up like that. He is happy in whatever condition of life he is placed. He doesn't protest. Any Indian villager, he'll say "God has given me this position, that's all right." Therefore the modern man is complaining that in India, this God consciousness has made them lethargic. They do not do... They believe on the destiny. Actually they do. Actually they do. Therefore from the very beginning you'll find so nice philosophy, literature, but you won't find the modernized economic development. Big, big house, big, big road, no. There was no such attempt.
Room Conversation -- August 11, 1976, Tehran:
Prabhupāda: Your destiny. Then your destiny.
Ātreya Ṛṣi: They miss the order and the controller and the organizer...
Prabhupāda: That is whole purpose—how to defy God. That is their whole plan.
Room Conversation -- August 12, 1976, Tehran:
Prabhupāda: They are younger. They are all my childhood playmates. Their older brothers, the eldest one was my very, very intimate friend, Siddheshvar Mullik. We used to ride on the same perambulator when we were three, four years old. And Ratha-yātrā ceremony was performed with all these guests. They were about, in our neighborhood there were four, five houses. So all the children of the same age, I was the leader. (laughs) Yes. I organized this Ratha-yātrā. I was performing Rādhāṣṭamī and Janmāṣṭamī, and I was learning how to dress the Rādhā-Govinda. Yes.
Room Conversation -- August 17, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: We have got buses. They have got buses, two, three. Any number of. It is very simple method. That we combine together, Indian and foreigners. Go in buses. (Bengali) Now it should be organized. This is simply (Bengali).
Guest: You must also come in Bangalore once. Then it will be all...
Prabhupāda: Immediately think over that. These Europeans, Americans are there. Now get up the association of another, at least one dozen, and let us go together, grāma to grāma,...
Yaśodānandana: We could go from Madras...
Prabhupāda: Anywhere.
Room Conversation -- August 17, 1976, Hyderabad:
Yaśomatīnandana: Yes, we will do like that. November-December will be very suitable time. Then in January the Kumbhamela, we will try to organize something big there also. January, Allahabad, Kumbhamela.
Prabhupāda: (Bengali) That's all. Stop now.
Room Conversation -- August 20, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: That is their income. Philadelphia they have organized very nice.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Port Royal farm.
Prabhupāda: And this Paramānanda, he is expert. He's very expert.
Room Conversation -- August 21, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: The building belonged to a big zamindar. So Prabhākāra arranged. So it was to be given to me, and I wanted to start the League of Devotees from there. So I spent some money, whatever money I had, and it was going on. But in the meantime, this Lilavati Munshi, Mrs. At that time she was wife of the governor. Her husband, K. M. Munshi. She had some organization of foreign women. So somehow or other she got imagination that "This house is very nice." She was governor's wife. So it was not given to me rightly, but I was using. So she wanted that house. Through collector and through all government officials pressure. She wrote me later on, that "Bhaktivedantajī, you wanted to organize, but you could not. But I have got this institution. Why not give it to me?" So, of course, there were many lawyer friends. They advised me that "You do not give up. You should litigate." So I thought, "Who is going to litigate? Let me go to Vṛndāvana." So I left. So at Mathurā I delivered the Deity to this Keśavajī Gauḍīya Maṭha, and I made my place in Vṛndāvana.
Room Conversation -- August 22, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: Money and intelligence also. They can organize the English very nicely. And they're not extravagant. European and American, as soon as they get money they spend it. And Indians know how to save something. I saw in London almost all Indians have got their own house. Maybe small house, it doesn't matter. But they have got their own quarters. Every Indian. And they're living very comfortably. Englishmen, local men, renting.
Meeting with Endowments Commissioner -- August 24, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: So by this cooperation they have... When I was in India I published three parts of Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam with great difficulty. And now since I have gone there I am publishing every month a book. So on account of their cooperation we are able to publish so many books and organize the sale all over the world. But it is true that this culture is very much welcome all over the world. That is happening. That is real execution of the mission of Kṛṣṇa. Not to keep Kṛṣṇa within the boundaries of certain areas. Ahaṁ bīja-pradaḥ pitā. Sarva-yoniṣu kaunteya (BG 14.4). He's the father of all living entities. They should know it.
Evening Darsana -- September 1, 1976, Delhi:
Prabhupāda: We are selling books to the extent of sixty thousand dollars daily. That is our only hope, that we shall not be financially in difficulty. People are taking our books very nicely. People are accepting our literature.
Indian man (3): It is not that difficulties were not there (indistinct). I don't have the support, but I feel (indistinct) find that several places the demand for this for the acceptance of (indistinct) also not in the manner in which I had wanted. (indistinct) ...lakhs of people stand against (indistinct) religion and moral side. There should be a linking up of all those who want religion to remain and morality to also be there. Those forces have to be met by also organized force from the right kind of people (goes on giving his own opinions-indistinct) ...I hope you are not coming in your way.
Prabhupāda: No, no.
Indian man (3): I remember that you had written yourself that there is something we can do together. Possibly this question, building and all that. (indistinct) It is good to have that building and that land, but even before that there is work to be done at the Kurukṣetra.
Prabhupāda: My point is that Kurukṣetra is the place where Bhagavad-gītā was spoken. So if we take the words of Bhagavad-gita as it is spoken by the Supreme Personality of Godhead Kṛṣṇa, then people will be benefitted. But if we do not take the words of Bhagavad-gītā, then moghāśā mogha-karmāṇo mogha-jñānā vicetasaḥ (BG 9.12). That I believe. Find out this verse. Moghāśā mogha-karmāṇo.
Garden Conversation -- September 3, 1976, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Sikhs are very brave. They're martial. And another martial race, Jats. They are kṣatriyas. Oh, they can fight... When Britishers possessed India they organized this military with Sikhs especially, Jats, and Gurkhas. And they expanded their empire, Burma, Ceylon, Africa, all these British Empire possessions. And not only that, they fought two big world wars with these Sikhs soldiers. They conquered over this Mesopotamia, Middle East.
Room Conversation -- September 5, 1976, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: As we have organized New Vrindaban farm, and Philadelphia farm, so the farm was also to be organized by you. That was the contemplation. So six hundred acres of land. Very nice land. Very nice land. Six hundreds and it is not with (indistinct) like Vṛndāvana, but very fertile.
Room Conversation -- September 11, 1976, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Money is concerned, you'll get any amount. Now organize and (indistinct).
Dhanañjaya: Now, another thing I wanted to ask. Many devotees were asking me if we could make a Deity of Your Divine Grace.
Prabhupāda: That is not very, well... That is not immediate. We shall see later on. You can make. That we shall see later on. Not immediately. Immediately you make this arrangement.
Room Conversation (Bullock Cart SKP) -- September 12, 1976, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: I have seen, Gandhi wanted to organize a program, village (break) ...in the field, that this program for constructing toilet in the village, they have spent so much. You know that? The first business was toilet. To restrict them to pass stool here and there, they must have. Now in constructing that toilet paraphernalia, (indistinct), they... Therefore it failed, village organization. Not for that purpose. There were many purpose. Because they had no engagement, so why they should remain in the village? There are so many attraction in the city, and they get money. The factory-wallas, they're inviting, "Come here. You shall get twenty rupees per day." Why shall he remain in the village? So if you can organize in the villages, they are interested in chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa mantra and getting nice prasādam, then... One must have some attachment. In the city there are so many artificial attachments. So on what ground they'll remain in the village? Mind, always remember this. Unless you have got some attachment, there is no possibility. Gandhi's program was very nice, village organize so that they may not come to the city and help the capitalists. Remain satisfied in the village. But where is that satisfaction? That is the failure.
Room Conversation -- October 3, 1976, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: I am everything at that time. There were some students, but they were not any active. I was doing everything. That League of Devotees means I am everything. I wanted to organize with this Prabhākāra Miśra and others. But they were not interested to be...
Hari-śauri: Not to become Vaiṣṇavas.
Prabhupāda: No, to devote whole time. They were... Just like Prabhākāra comes still. But if you ask him to do full time work, that he'll not do. Therefore I did not initiate others. He was initiated, Haridāsa. But they were all learned scholars, Sanskrit.
Press Interview -- October 16, 1976, Chandigarh:
Prabhupāda: Seriously means that a spiritual movement is India's movement. So if some of our leading men take seriously, then whatever I am doing single-handed... I don't get any support either from the Indian public or from the government. But if they take it seriously, then we can present in more organized way and it will be more successful. So far it is done single-handed.
Press Interview -- October 16, 1976, Chandigarh:
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: This is a letter from Śrī Ambarish Sarkar, General Secretary of the Nadia District Congress Committee. "I had an opportunity to visit the Śrī Māyāpur Chandrodaya Mandir on the 12th August, 1975. It is absolutely a religious institution. Jayapātāka Swami has devoted all of his efforts and endeavors to organize and propound the sacred name of Lord Śrī Caitanya Mahāprabhu. I'm impressed by his charming manner and strength. Although it is a religious institution, this organization has performed many social services. Many poor and destitute families have had an opportunity to work and at the same time they have become worshipers of Lord Śrī Caitanya. To engage these workers, so many industrial centers have already been started, such as handloom cloth, printing, etc. I wish this organization, with its help of the local people, all success."
Prabhupāda: We're not only chanting, we are giving them work. We are trying to become self-sufficient, the same idea of Gandhi's village organization, so they may not come out from the village. They'll be satisfied, village economics. That we are doing.
Room Conversation on New York court case -- November 2, 1976, Vrindaban:
Prabhupāda: So this Kṛṣṇa cult is genuine, Vedic, based on Bhagavad-gītā which was spoken long, long years ago before any religion, any religious literature in the world. The Buddha literature or the Christian literature and Jewish literature, they cannot be counted more than two thousand years. A little more than that. But this Kṛṣṇa cult is coming, it is coming from, I have already explained in the introduction, it is coming from four hundred millions of years ago. But even from historically, it is five thousand years. Beyond all religious literature in the world. We have to present this case in the court. And let it be discussed thorough (indistinct), and see our books, compare any religious books with our these books. Present all the opinions of big, big professors how traditional Indian culture is there. You have to fight, organize (indistinct).
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. (repeats "Yes" every so often)
Room Conversation -- November 4, 1976, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Everything depends on organized management. Give some...
Akśayananda: Shall I put... Some gentlemen, some bābājīs, are coming now, some metas.
Prabhupāda: Aiye, aiye. Betiye.
Akśayananda: May I help bota? (?)
Prabhupāda: Yes. Betiye.
Room Conversation -- November 18, 1976, Vrndavana:
Jagadīśa: He wants to take over the world. He publicly says so. He claims to be organizing the world...
Prabhupāda: That... (break)
Hari-śauri: He says that Jesus never carried out what he intended to do...
Prabhupāda: "I am doing."
Morning Walk and Room Conversation -- December 7, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: Later on. First of all grow vegetable. Let us eat first of all. Immediately grow vegetables sufficient. And this is good idea, we shall do that, but first of all let us organize the vegetables, fruits. What are these trees?
Mahāṁśa: These are nimbu (lemon) trees which Badrukas have planted and were neglected. They have become very stunted. We dug them out, and we put some cow dung just last, two, three months back. We're going to bring them up, but they will not be very good now. They've already been stunted.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Mahāṁśa: They have been neglected in the beginning, so they have become stunted. So it will help a little by manuring, and some places it has to be grafted and cut off. Some of the trees are good. We get... How many nimbus did we get this year?
Prabhupāda: Make nimbu-ācāra (lemon pickle).
Morning Walk and Room Conversation -- December 7, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: So ask them to chant and take prasādam. They will be rectified. Make them friends, family members. Just we organize, everything is there.
Room Conversation on Farm Management -- December 10, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: To attract them to really nice prasādam, palatable food, we shall spend. And we shall argue (?) also by literature produced, and they're learning. Where is the difficulty? We shall take contribution from rich persons. We shall earn ourself, and spend it, to give them very nice prasādam. Gradually when they come, when you engage them in producing their own food, own shelter, own cloth... This should be organized. And they'll be glad. As soon as they understand, they will be glad to do. And they will stop all this nonsense: illicit sex, and meat eating. Then their life will be purified. And they'll make more and more advancement in this path. That is perfection. That you want. Is it clear or not?
Jagadīśa: Oh, yes.
Room Conversation on Farm Management -- December 10, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: And one or two men take care. And others, they go. Similarly, children they must have, so... Not that everyone is children busy, "I cannot do." They cannot do if they are busy with children. What is the use of keeping such householders? Let them live outside, earn their money. Women business is to cleanse, to cut the vegetables, to cook, what is this? They're simply busy with the children? And they have started their mission for maintaining some children, and useless women. You should organize. Rādhikāra pakka anna vividha byañjana. All the gopīs, they are engaged for cooking for Kṛṣṇa. Mother Yaśodā will call them, "You young girls, you can cook very nicely."
Press Conference -- December 16, 1976, Hyderabad:
Prabhupāda: No, in America. We have got farms like this. They are very successful. They are eating fresh vegetables, fresh grains and milk, and chanting. The temple is there. They have left the city life. So I want to organize that here also. We have already one in Navadvīpa. The devotees are there. They are having their own cloth, own food, own milk, residence, and chanting. That's all.
Morning Walk -- December 25, 1976, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: And that also, when they came back from the jail life, they decided not to do it again. Therefore Gandhi did not recommend mass civil disobedience next time. He recommended individual... (break) ...but (indistinct) 19l7, and we got svarāja in 1947. So it was not due to civil disobedience or noncooperation. It was due to Subash Bose's INA. He thought that when he organized soldiers, and...
Guest (1): Put them on the battlefield, fought them, defeated them...
Prabhupāda: Yes. And when the Britishers found, "Now the soldiers are non-cooperating. There is no hope of ruling," they left.
Morning Walk -- December 25, 1976, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: "...opposition." Therefore he went out and organized the INA, and that was successful. It is not Gandhi's noncooperation movement.
Guest (1): That's true. Now in the British official records which they are publishing their secret papers of twenty-five years, that knowledge is very clearly that it was this armed fight of Indian National Army which convinced the British that they could not rule India with the Indian soldiers.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is real noncooperation. (laughter) What this public noncooperation will do. They are simply clerks. Some of them may be high-court judges, but no responsible post was given.
Morning Walk and Room Conversation -- December 26, 1976, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: No, no, we have already organized. We have also a organized camp. No, no, I would have saved this expenditure by joining your camp, but...
Guest (5): There is no question of expenditure. We welcome you and your institution over there. We have an arrangement for about two hundred tents and we have got enough food to offer you, quality food, which you won't find in the whole of the Kumbha-mela. Because originally...
Prabhupāda: But suppose if we speak in this way, then you'll not agree. (laughter) Real food is finished. Only puris, kacuris... (laughter)
Room Conversation -- December 26, 1976, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Yes. You are not guru, you are goru. Goru means cow. Sa eva go-kharaḥ. You are not guru. You are speaking against Kṛṣṇa so you are not guru. Guru is Arjuna. Because a confidential instruction is given to Arjuna, so we accept Arjuna as guru. Or one who is following Arjuna, he is guru. Arjuna has accepted Kṛṣṇa, paraṁ brahma paraṁ dhāma pavitraṁ paramaṁ bhavān (BG 10.12). You accept Kṛṣṇa as paraṁ brahma. You want to become paraṁ brahma. You are cheating people. You do not say Kṛṣṇa is paraṁ brahma, but you are replacing Him. Then you are cheater, you are not guru. That has to be done. So organize this. Very plain thing. Very plain thing. Just like Caitanya Mahāprabhu did. Yāre dekha tāre kaha kṛṣṇa-upadeśa (CC Madhya 7.128). Bas. You become guru.
Morning Walk -- December 28, 1976, Bombay:
Girirāja: This is an organization. Last time was Shrimati Morarji's personal...
Prabhupāda: Private house. This is organized function you ask them a place to show our books. If they deny then we don't go. Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Morning Walk -- December 29, 1976, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) This is fact. The whole world has become suar. (Hindi) Including India. It is not that India is now human being. No. India has also become suar. So it is a great service. This is the only service to the human society. And to keep them suar and organizing United Nations. What the suar will unite?
Dr. Patel: United Nation of sewers. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: Yes. So how it will be successful?
Guest (1): That is all they have. This is disunited nation, not united nation.
Prabhupāda: I said in some public meeting in Melbourne, "The United Nation is the assembly of some dogs. They are barking." And newspapermen added, "The Swami has come to hound you." (laughter) Eh? What is that?
Hari-śauri: "His Divine Grace is here to hound us."
Prabhupāda: Hound. Yes. So I attacked the whole United Nations, and so they attacked me also.
Room Conversation -- December 31, 1976, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. He was very friendly. Actually, he is the organizer, main person. He showed that, "Here Swamiji was cooking." (laughs) Yes. I was guest for fifteen days, that Dalmia. Not this Jayadal, his big brother, Ram-Krishna. He asked me that his family... He wanted to construct a little cottage in his house, "You can live here. I'll give you a nice cottage." I thought, "No, it is not good to be patronized by a viṣayī." This is not good. Fully dependent on a materialistic... And he's first-class materialist.
1977 Conversations and Morning Walks
Letter to Russian -- January 5, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. He's organizing nicely.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: He's very sincere. He follows all the regulations very rigidly. He gets up in the morning, ideal example.
Jagadīśa: He understands the philosophy quite well.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. And he is educated. He is B.Sc. He knows Hindi also.
Roof Conversation -- January 5, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: It is not far away from the Sam... It is nearer. Rather, Allahabad main station is far away.
Mr. Gupta: You see, the way railways have organized it, Eastern Railway will...
Prabhupāda: So Naini, you are crossing the river or this side of the river?
Mr. Gupta: By special, we will not cross the river. By through-going trains, we will cross the river.
Dr. Patel: If you cross the river, then you go to Allahabad main station.
Mr. Gupta: So Varanasi Express will go to main station. That special would not have gone to main station. It would have caused you inconvenience.
Prabhupāda: So they will receive from Allahabad station our men?
Dr. Patel: You have to tell them to...
Hari-śauri: We'll have to telegram to Gurudāsa to tell when we're coming.
Dr. Patel: There will be huge, I mean, traffic blocking and all those things. No? (break)
Prabhupāda: Fifty years before, when I was in Allahabad, 1920's, there was Kumbhamela. Then forty lakhs people came, fifty years ago.
Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: So this is documentary. And the Europeans and..., they are not fools and rascals that they are interested in purchasing other religious book, not their Bible. You see? So it has got very great potency. So under the circumstances, we should now make combined effort that it can be pushed on more organizedly. I am doing now alone with the help of these... But no Indians are coming. This is the difficulty.
Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Yes. So whatever thought comes to me, I discuss as far as possible. Why these things are... Therefore I want to organize this farm project. Let there be ideal. And it is becoming ideal in America. People are coming even from the school, college, they are coming to see New Vrindaban. And there was section where our enemies, they are not disturbing. So they are appreciating. Still we are not thoroughly organized, but still they're appreciating. They'll appreciate. One day will come they'll appreciate. And other parents, as they come and thank me, "Swamiji, it is our great fortune that..." Many parents came when I was in Los Angeles.
Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Hari-śauri: Yes. That's becoming more organized now. They have a Parents for Krishna group now.
Prabhupāda: Any sane man will appreciate. Why this father, mother, came to congratulate me? "Swamiji, you have done so..." It is Kṛṣṇa's desire that everyone be happy. They'll take Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Pradyumna: "It is said here that the cows used to moisten the pasturing land with milk because their milk bags were fatty and the animals were joyful. Do they not require, therefore, proper protection for a joyful life by being fed with a sufficient quantity of grass in the field? Why should men kill cows for their selfish purposes? Why should men not be satisfied with grains, fruits and milk, which combined together can produce hundreds and thousands of palatable dishes? Why are there slaughterhouses all over the world to kill innocent animals? Mahārāja Parīkṣit, grandson of Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira, while touring his vast kingdom, saw a black man attempting to kill a cow. The king at once arrested the butcher and chastised him sufficiently. Should not a king or executive head protect the lives of the poor animals who are unable to defend themselves? Is this humanity? Are not the animals of a country citizens also? Then why are they allowed to be butchered in organized slaughterhouses? Are these the signs of equality, fraternity, and nonviolence? Therefore, in contrast with the modern, advanced, civilized form of government, an autocracy like Mahārāja Yudhiṣṭhira's is by far superior to a so-called democracy in which animals are killed and a man less than an animal is allowed to cast votes for another less-than-animal-man."
Prabhupāda: That's all (laughing) we have said. You can do one thing. You have got nim tree?
Devotee: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Take... I think you have got nim leaf dried?
Hari-śauri: Not since we've been in India. We've been using fresh nim leaves.
Prabhupāda: You have got stock?
Hari-śauri: No. Not at the moment.
Prabhupāda: That nim, if not in bara form, if you make some tablet, round. Something sticky.
Room Conversation -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: ...in Vṛndāvana. And try to organize this Gurukula as their world attraction. That will be your success. Simply teach them nicely English and Sanskrit. And our books are there. And regular habits: going to the Yamunā in procession, timely get up early in the morning, attending class, clean dress, clean bedding, clean room. Śikhā-sūtra. The Vāmanadeva gave this description. Where is that book?
Jagadīśa: I don't know. Pradyumna may have taken it.
Prabhupāda: There were two books. Woman... Girls should be taught how to become faithful wife, how to learn nice cooking, cleansing, dressing. Simple method. There is no objection of their becoming scholar, but that is not necessary. They have got natural inclination to give service by cooking, cleansing, dressing. Cleanliness is the first necessity. That is hygienic, spiritual, and calm, quiet. India has got special facility to remain clean. Only in this country you can take thrice bathing. In other countries... Easy there. In your country there is hot water. There is no difficulty if one practices. I think our men have such practice. But this cleanness is this taking bathing at least twice. That keeps a man very clean.
Morning Discussion about Kumbhamela -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Gurudāsa: Yes, very good. A blessing in disguise, yes. So they're trying to organize. There's many bhangis who pick up the stool.
Prabhupāda: The place is nice then.
Morning Discussion about Kumbhamela -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Gurudāsa: So do you think I should organize this meeting with Chandra Swami also, taking some part in organizing? Or just meet him to get him to see you. Not any special, but I mean to say that he knows the situation. He can...
Prabhupāda: Or if he wants to see, he may come. He may find out.
Morning Discussion about Kumbhamela -- January 8, 1977, Bombay:
Dr. Patel: All the Britishers were organizing this Mela, Kumbha.
Prabhupāda: No, in... They were taking... The committee... I said that, "We have committee?" This is British time. One magistrate is the head and assistants, so many.
Dr. Patel: The government officers may not be getting any interest, only the Hindu officials, these British officers.
Prabhupāda: No. Our government, they have to manage so many people. The Nagas... I learned it from Bhāgavatam.
Dr. Patel: Nagas come from Assam, no?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Arjuna married the Naga king's daughter. And he had a son.
Dr. Patel: Babhruvāhana.
Prabhupāda: No, Babhruvāhana is Manipur.
Dr. Patel: Ilavan.
Prabhupāda: Ilavan, yes.
Discussion on Deprogrammers -- January 9, 1977, Bombay:
Rāmeśvara: Yes. This law is unconstitutional. I mentioned that there is a group of lawyers who are now organizing a committee nationwide to defend us, and they're going to prove that this law should be changed.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the right cause. Yes.
Arrival of BBT Manager -- January 9, 1977, Bombay:
Rāmeśvara: In America there are some atheists who are organizing constantly to attack us.
Prabhupāda: That is peaceful. That will bring peace.
Rāmeśvara: Yes. I was seeing it. Because now it has become such a controversy that the biggest television and radio programs are begging us, "Come on my show and explain the issue, whether you are brainwashing." So we have been already invited to be on the biggest nationwide television programs, and we're on radio...
Prabhupāda: And you are presenting nicely.
Arrival of BBT Manager -- January 9, 1977, Bombay:
Rāmeśvara: ...harassed, and they are organizing groups to defend us. In Harvard University...
Prabhupāda: That is very good.
Rāmeśvara: ...the biggest professors and theologians have organized now a nationwide committee to defend us.
Prabhupāda: Very good. This is Kṛṣṇa's mercy.
Rāmeśvara: And also the lawyers and psychologists are also organizing in their own fields nationwide committees just to defend us.
Prabhupāda: It is so much mercy from Kṛṣṇa. Kṛṣṇa wanted all these things. Unless there is... Kṛṣṇa became important when He killed so many demons, not lying down on the lap of Mother Yaśodā. And while He was on the lap of Mother Yaśodā, from that day He began to kill. He began to kill. And there was attack. Therefore Kṛṣṇa became the Supreme Personality of Godhead. So even Kṛṣṇa was not exempted, what to speak of us. Prahlāda Mahārāja was not exempted. As soon as you speak of God, this opposition will come. Jesus Christ was crucified. So they are so kind they have not crucified me or my men. (laughs) Otherwise you have to expect all these things. Nityānanda Prabhu was personally injured. So these are the... Haridāsa Ṭhākura was beaten in twenty-two bazaars. This task is like that.
Conversation on Train to Allahabad -- January 11, 1977, India:
Prabhupāda: No, at least we shall try to make closed. And if people become localized, then this traffic will be little. Just like I am trying to organize the farm. If people do not come out of home, then this system will be obsolete. There will be no more department. They have created hundreds. They do not know how to manage it. For livelihood they have to go to Bombay, and therefore they require so many local trains. But if they localized, they can get their livelihood locally, there is no question of these all...
Rāmeśvara: In America this is becoming the number-one problem—unemployment.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They must be. Artificial employment.
Conversation on Train to Allahabad -- January 11, 1977, India:
Rāmeśvara: Many revolutions have been victorious with a very small minority of people behind them because they're so well organized. Russia, Germany, all these revolutions.
Prabhupāda: That's a fact.
Rāmeśvara: In history there is examples of small groups of people taking over a government because they are very intelligent and very well organized.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Conversation on Train to Allahabad -- January 11, 1977, India:
Prabhupāda: Up to that point, simply rubbish, all papers thrown here and there. People are living in... Now see here, how it is open and pleasing. Organize this farm project. Farm. (background talking)
Hari-śauri: He's just saying that in the West one requires a great deal of capital. To start a farm, to get the land, you need a lot of money because land is very expensive. And also we have to use modern farming techniques because we have so few men to run the farms.
Prabhupāda: No, you show example. People will do automatically. When the people find it is very nice, they will take.
Conversation and Instruction On New Movie -- January 13, 1977, Allahabad:
Prabhupāda: Hm? They cannot. They... Those who are intelligent, they are making something, Śrīdhara Mahārāja and others. But this man was envious, this Tīrtha Mahārāja, because... He advertised that he is the only favorite student of Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī. (laughs) But spiritually he was empty. Materially he was capable, how to manage things. But spiritually he was zero. That Prabhupāda also knew and everyone knows. He had no spiritual understanding. Materially he helped Guru Mahārāja how to organize. Therefore he liked him, that "This man is expert manager."
Room Conversation -- January 15, 1977, Allahabad:
Prabhupāda: In Durban. South Africa. Fighting with General Smuts to give Indians equal rights. They are very conservative. At heart they want "Indians may go away." They don't want Indians. And if they want, it is for their own benefit. The Indians have given some place to develop as marketplace, and as soon as they develop, they ask, "Go there. Leave this place. Go away, other place." This is going on. And they know very well, politicians. The Indians have been given a place where nearby there is a slaughterhouse. They know Indians are sentimental, at least for cow slaughtering. Whole night slaughtering is going on, and there are screaming of the animals. Whole night. Even those who are meat-eaters, they will be disturbed. So the purpose is that "Let them live near the slaughterhouse, so by sentiment they are disgusted, leave this country." They don't want the Asians, especially Indians, and especially due to Gandhi, because they know, due to Gandhi... At least Gandhi organized the public opinion against the Britishers by this noncooperation movement. They were not affected by the... Affected in this way, that public opinion was against them. That is also organization. Otherwise Gandhi's method was not harmful to the..., this noncooperation, nonviolent. That did not help. But he influenced the public opinion against them.
Room Conversation -- January 15, 1977, Allahabad:
Prabhupāda: Yes. India did not know what is tea. They started the tea gardens, and they recruited labors from India. We have seen in our childhood that Mahatma Gandhi Road. When I was standing on the gate, five hundred, six hundred laborers recruited from Bihar. Bihar and Orissa, these two provinces very poor. Even all these colonies, just like Trinidad... Where is Englishmen? If the laborers and Indians were sent... Therefore we find in Mauritius, in Africa, so many Indians. Their kingdom, first of all it was conquered by Indian soldiers. Then, when it was to be organized-Indian coolies, Indian laborers, Indian guards. They have got men and money, but they expanded Empire. So I am doing the same business: American money, American... (laughs) I am also a great politician.
Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Rāmeśvara: ...to organize the whole world to cheating, then, it seems, we can be given the intelligence to organize it for Lord Caitanya.
Prabhupāda: You can also cheat them. (chuckles) From māyā's way, bring then to Kṛṣṇa's way. That's all. That is also cheating. Tell them, "Yes, you live like this."
Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: Let them go to the farm. We are therefore organizing farm. As soon as they are jobless, "Come on. We shall feed you. We shall give you food." There is no scarcity of food.
Hari-śauri: Does that mean we have to wait for the situation to arise where they are jobless?
Prabhupāda: No. Wait... We are waiting, but if anyone comes, we have already big, big farms. "Come, hundreds. We shall provide you."
Room Conversation -- January 21, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: Yes. We have got clear vision. We are not putting any theory. We are always presenting fact, and that is materializing. Just like we started this farm. It is materializing gradually. It is not yet fully organized; still, there is hope that it will give peace to the people. There is sufficient hope.
Hari-śauri: Is our goal to actually establish Vedic principles back into society again at large?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Room Conversation -- January 22, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: They must be intelligent persons. Otherwise how he can... The Britishers, they took away these Indians to organize Africa. Otherwise, they conquered, but the Indians organized.
Brahmānanda: They were all the administrators.
Prabhupāda: Yes. After all, Kṛṣṇa is there. He'll look after. So so far we are concerned, there is no disturbance.
Evening Conversation -- January 25, 1977, Puri:
Prabhupāda: One who understands, he's self-realized. And if he preaches, then he becomes recognized. On this principle we shall help everyone. "Come here. Stay with us nicely. Nicely you can. But serve Kṛṣṇa. We take responsibility." Organize in this way throughout the whole world. Give them shelter; give them food; give them cloth. That is the most benevolent welfare activity in the human society. So here people have generally tendency to come to the beach to enjoy. "All right, we shall give you a place. Come on. Stay here. You haven't got to pay anything for food or lodging. Simply attend ārati, classes. Then... For experiment, three days' period, you see."
Evening Conversation -- January 25, 1977, Puri:
Prabhupāda: These two books, Bhāgavata and Bhagavad-gītā, if they actually read and assimilate, their life will be successful. So we want to organize widespread publicity of these books. They'll be benefited.
Room Conversation with Two Indian Guests -- January 27, 1977, Jagannatha Puri:
Prabhupāda: Yes. No. They knew that "We are not going. So long the nonviolence is there, we are safe." They were occasionally calling Gandhi and patting him: "Sir, why you are doing this? Let us compromise," because he knew that "So long nonviolence will continue, we are safe." But Subash Bose's protest was that "If you don't take to violence, then these people are never going." That was the difference of opinion between Subash Bose and... So when he was taking the Congress in hand, Gandhi became so angry that Subash Bose, being elected President, Gandhi did not attend the Congress. So other workers, he requested Subash Bose that "You resign. Otherwise Gandhi will not."(?) So he resigned. He done right. And then he thought that "Unless I go out of India, I cannot do anything." Then he managed to go out of India, and Singapore, he... Indians with their help and Hitler's intervention, he organized this INA. And when the Britisher's saw that "Now the soldiers are joining national movement, then we cannot rule over," then they decided, "Let us make some compromise, and as much possible, do harm. Divide this India, Pakistan and India, and go away." This is fact.
Room Conversation with Two Indian Guests -- January 27, 1977, Jagannatha Puri:
Prabhupāda: Yes. And any quarter, the Indians, they organize, and they say, "You go away now, that quarter." Still going on.
Room Conversation with Two Indian Guests -- January 27, 1977, Jagannatha Puri:
Prabhupāda: No, nobody cares for this non... (break) That is not, that India has no kṣatriya spirit. Very good kṣatriya spirit. But it was not organized. That is the difference of opinion between Gandhi and Subash. He wanted to organize it.
Guest (1): That's... But Gandhiji knew actually it's not possible to organize this violence in India, because the people are not of that nature.
Prabhupāda: No, everything has got. Just like Subash Bose organized outside.
Guest (1): Subash Bose was a very great organizer and a great politician.
Prabhupāda: He organized. He made compromise, some he made, this Hitler and Tojo, that "Whoever, Indian soldiers surrendered, you..."
Guest (1): They should go to INA.
Prabhupāda: INA. He made this... And the soldiers were voluntarily surrendering.
Room Conversation with Two Indian Guests -- January 27, 1977, Jagannatha Puri:
Prabhupāda: You kindly... You are little interested. Organize public opinion: "Why these people are doing this injustice?"
Guest (1): No, that I'll do. (end)
Room Conversation -- January 29, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: So you... We have to organize like that. And actually this is greater valuable for their life, changing life.
Hari-śauri: Yes. These book clubs are very big.
Prabhupāda: So now you all GBC make a plan how to introduce the books in every home. The same policy in other languages also. America is English language. Similarly, we can do here also in Hindi language, in Oriya language, or in Europe. So we have got much work ahead. Don't think our business is finished. No. Simply very intelligent we have to do it.
Room Conversation -- January 29, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: The barking, dog's bark. Otherwise, what... They do not attempt it. Why not make one state—the whole world? Keep the democracy, but make one state, "United States of the World." Why "United States of America"? Make English language common language and "United States of the World." If they organize, they can do it. Just like United States has included Hawaii. They are not actually of the same blood. They are not European. So how they are managing Hawaii? Hawaii is a different stock. It is from Chinese.
Room Conversation -- January 29, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: Hm, hm, hm. Gargamuni may go and organize in Dacca. That will be a great service. He was speaking of going to Dacca. That will be greater service.
Satsvarūpa: I thought they were going mostly for the library work.
Prabhupāda: Whatever... No, he says there is possible, that Gauḍīya Maṭha. If in Pakistan, in Bangladesh, if he can organize one center, it will be great triumph.
Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- January 30, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: Chandigarh, yes. In his state way-eti khan,(?) secretary, everything—he came to offer me respect. So Manipuri people are very nice. So why not organize? Rejuvenate them. So you are the Manipur's son. Now you are perfect Vaiṣṇava. Now let us make Manipur a Vaiṣṇava kṣatriya center, very nice. Then make relation with Nepal. Nepal, they are kṣatriyas also.
Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- January 30, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: Organize...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: They'll do the same thing, same lecture as I gave, similar style. He had all the copies. We made very many colorful slides and transparencies. So that we speak just like any other professional speakers in science.
Prabhupāda: No, you can..., every right to speak. You are qualified scientist. All doctor, they must agree to hear you, cannot deny.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: And our mathematician is very good. He's also got some good artistic ideas. He told me that he started some arts.
Prabhupāda: So he's a mathematician and another (sic:) physist, and you are chemist. So complete science. The pure science is mathematics, physics, and chemistry. So our three Ph.D.s, they are combination of pure science. Nobody can defeat. Mathematics is there, physics is there, chemistry is there. And my sentiment is this, (laughs) I challenge them, "No. Life from life, not matter." So perhaps I challenged first. Or anybody? Then life from life, not from matter?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda did it.
Room Conversation -- January 31, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Hari-śauri: That last letter that he wrote, he mentioned to you that now there are other devotees who are qualified to do the jobs that he was doing, and he wanted to get more into organizing the Gurukula, because they need someone to organize.
Prabhupāda: That is another... That is all right, Gurukula organize. But the former books, why they should be rejected? (end)
Room Conversation -- February 3, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: Yes, this is called... Yes. This is called pāṭhan. So after going outside India, he organized this INA, Indian National Army. And Hitler helped him. Tojo also wanted to help him, but he had a plan.
Room Conversation -- February 3, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Prabhupāda: No Hitler actually helped him, all the soldiers. And then the Sikh soldiers and Gurkha soldiers voluntarily surrendered to join INA. And this information obliged the Britishers to go away. Then "Now the army is joining national movement, so there is no hope." The Gandhi's noncooperation, the clerks' noncooperation the, some of these teachers' noncooperation what do they care for? But when they saw that "The soldiers are now going to join this non..." Gandhi diagnosed the disease rightly, that "The Britishers are here on account of our cooperation. Without this cooperation, they'll go away." That's a fact. So his noncooperation movement was... It was a good trick, but actually he did not succeed. And this movement succeeded. That "Now he's organizing Indian soldiers for national movement. There is no chance."
Room Conversation -- February 3, 1977, Bhuvanesvara:
Gargamuni: That Mrs. Lalita Bose, she compared you to Nethaji, that you went outside of India and organized an army, (laughter) then came back to India. She said that. She's the grand-daughter? That Lalita Bose?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Niece.
Gargamuni: She said, "Your Gurujī is just like Nethaji. He went outside of India and organized army of Vaiṣṇavas."
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now it is in the right hand. Resourceful, you Americans. You can do this. There is scientist. So we have got the framework very nice. Now you can push on. It is a good movement for the benefit of the whole world. Kṛṣṇa will help you. Kṛṣṇa will recognize you. Go on pushing rightly. Our only mission is para-upakāra—we don't want to exploit anyone—Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. The people in general, human being, they have got this opportunity of being out of the clutches of māyā and they are kept in darkness. What is this? Is that civilization? This is our mission. Here is opportunity for his getting out of the clutches of māyā, daivī hy eṣā guṇamayī mama māyā (BG 7.14), and they are being misled, the so-called science and nasty philosophy and economics and making them, training them as demons and rākṣasas. What is this civilization? So our movement is against this demonic civilization. It is really para-upakāra.
Room Conversation Varnasrama System Must Be Introduced -- February 14, 1977, Mayapura:
Satsvarūpa: But the people are not at our disposal to organize.
Hari-śauri: We are thinking of "we" because actually we only have our own society at the moment to organize.
Satsvarūpa: We cannot approach the masses to organize.
Hari-śauri: It can't be implemented on such a big scale.
Prabhupāda: I do not follow what you say.
Satsvarūpa: Just like...
Prabhupāda: Ideal. We are giving the ideal.
Satsvarūpa: But no one's listening and no one's taking it up except a few...
Prabhupāda: But you take. You show them.
Room Conversation Varnasrama System Must Be Introduced -- February 14, 1977, Mayapura:
Satsvarūpa: So we can ideally organize ourselves and then for the rest of the people all we can do is hope that they'll follow it.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Bhavānanda: Set the example.
Prabhupāda: Example. Just like Bhavānanda, when there was no commode here. He was taking my stool and urine. Does it mean he is a sweeper? He's a sannyāsī Vaiṣṇava. Similarly, āpani ācari' jīve śikhāilā. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, "I am not a sannyāsī." But He took sannyāsa. Actually He is God, so what is the benefit of becoming a sannyāsī, for God? But He became that. (break) In order to serve the mass of people, to bring them to the ideal position, we should try to introduce this varṇāśrama, not that we are going to be candidates of varṇāśrama. It is not our business. But to teach them how the world will be in peaceful position we have to introduce. Now the days of wind will come from March.
Evening Darsana -- February 15, 1977, Mayapura:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Very big man. He is very active. He's organizing everything, he and that Dean Kelly. What is his position?
Satsvarūpa: He's National Council of Churches.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. He's the head of the National Council of Churches, this Dean Kelly, and he is a very big proponent of our movement also.
Prabhupāda: So Kṛṣṇa is sending so many men.
Room Conversation -- February 18, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: They're organized.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, they're highly organized. They have regular newsletters.
Prabhupāda: (aside:) Yes, one spoon more. Take. (break) Very strong opposition. (chuckling) This combination in your country is costly.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Peas, puffed rice and cucumber.
Prabhupāda: Puffed rice is costly!
Room Conversation about BTG the Moon -- February 18, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: ...the leaders agree, organize it. Then others take it. We can begin there this varṇāśrama program.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Are you planning to go there, to Manipur?
Prabhupāda: I shall expect to go. It requires...
Hari-śauri: Svarūpa Dāmodara.
Prabhupāda: No, on our part.
Room Conversation about BTG the Moon -- February 18, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: American brāhmaṇas. Go-brāhmaṇa. American milk, American brāhmaṇa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Dhṛṣṭadyumna Mahārāja has organized the life membership program to send the Indian members milk sweets in the mail every week from the farm. Burfi, sandeśa.
Prabhupāda: They also like. And in America, the Indians are there, they are all educated. They're not low-class men.
Room Conversation with Adi-kesava Swami -- February 19, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: Yes, we must argue from our books. Therefore I say without any lawyer. Keep one lawyer to present, but our arguments should be from the books.
Ādi-keśava: Right. Another thing is that this group, they are very organized.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They have got money.
Room Conversation with Adi-kesava Swami -- February 19, 1977, Mayapura:
Ādi-keśava: I'm hoping that if we can organize some legal office for the society, then we will be able to do this more effectively.
Prabhupāda: What is this?
Ādi-keśava: This is that book we made for the conference, the ACLU conference in New York.
Prabhupāda: Who he is?
Ādi-keśava: He is one of the guṇḍās.
Room Conversations -- February 20, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: Loitering in the street. Nobody cared for me. Alone carrying the books. Now organize Bombay as our headquarter, New York as sub-office. Or headquarter in America.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: What about Los Angeles?
Prabhupāda: Anywhere. I told you that it must have been published.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. You can see that the Bombay newspaper is better than these Calcutta papers.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Certainly.
Room Conversations -- February 20, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: That's good idea. Yes. So now organize things. My presence or no presence, we have got now a position. We have to push on this movement very cautiously.
Room Conversations -- February 20, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Organize Bombay as the center of...
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Especially when our that big hall is finished, we can hold several lectures...
Prabhupāda: Daily. At least weekly twice. Sunday, Monday, we shall hold lectures and call all scholarly people to understand. Make it nicely.
Room Conversations -- February 20, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: Let us go there and organize. At least for one month we shall remain there. Let us organize.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: A lot of the senior devotees are still there. They've gone from here to Vṛndāvana, and now they're in Bombay, and they're waiting for your coming.
Prabhupāda: I am therefore going. In spite of my so much inconveniences, I am going there.
Room Conversations -- February 20, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: We shall train them. Military march, Manipur. Slogan: "Jaya Rādhe! Jaya Kṛṣṇa! Jaya Babhruvāhana! Jaya Arjuna!" And then let us go. We shall organize Bombay headquarter, Manipur Vaiṣṇava state, send missionary all over the world, bona fide, scientific system of religion, ideal character. Ideal character. Yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ (SB 5.18.12). That we have to show. "Here is the sum total of all good qualities." That we have to show. We haven't got to go anywhere. Knowledge, good quality, happiness, advancement of life, everything complete. So let us go to Manipur. Arrange for that.
Room Conversations -- February 20, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: So long there is work. There is no end of it. Our Bombay should be organized. Work is our life. There is no question of "How long?" As long as possible. Kṛṣṇa giving us good opportunities. Now we should take it seriously. It is not joke. "Hare Kṛṣṇa movement is bona fide religion."
Evening Darsana -- February 24, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: None. So that twenty years, failure, and here also he started that nonviolence-thirty years. In 1917 he came here from Africa, and the nonviolent, noncooperation... Actually the Hitler's war in 1947 helped India to become independent, the Hitler's cooperation with Subash Bose, INA. When he organized the soldiers, then Britishers thought, "No more chance." Then they left India. Not for the nonviolence. These are artificial things, in politics nonviolence.
Room Conversation With Artists and About BTG -- February 25, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: Yes. But organized business means there must be so many men, secretary, manager. That is regulated. So in the beginning, "All right, bring some money somehow. Then I shall..." So you cannot reject this organization because he's chanting. Then what is the use of writing so many books, the nāma-aparādha and other discussions, if anyone can chant?
Rāmeśvara: So it definitely has to lead them to that.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So we must come to that point. In the beginning you may be very liberal: "All right, chant." We do like that, and I have done it. There is no regulation. But that does not..., that it should be neglected. He should be given affirmed, "By simply, whimsically chanting this..." No, that is not.
Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- February 28, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: And recruit Indian scientists. Make it. It will be very nice. Let us go to Bombay and organize.
Rūpānuga: Because India now has the bomb, they are respected.
Bali-mardana: Atom bomb.
Prabhupāda: No, Indian people are more intelligent. There is no doubt about it. I... At least I see that during British period there were so many railway collisions. Now it is not there.
Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- February 28, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: So organize in India. Make your headquarters in India.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. Gopāla Kṛṣṇa already told me that he will give us two rooms.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Two, three, as many rooms, you take.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That theater is very prominent.
Prabhupāda: Yes
Room Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- February 28, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: So that is not difficult. We can come to Calcutta and go to Calcutta, there. But if you organize Bombay center, recruit scientists, hold meeting, that is very nice proposal. There must be some state, ideal state. Just like the Russia is Communist state, and they're making nice propaganda, similarly we must have a Kṛṣṇa conscious state. What do you think?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is example.
Room Conversation -- March 2, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: Servant class. They are not independent. (break) So I am very seriously thinking about organizing your institute. So how much hopeful it is?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: How much hopeful? I think there's a great potential. It is a great future, and I can see that if we start publishing the first journal, volume, then it's going to attract many people from the academic circles and intellectual surroundings, and in some time I can see there will be a whole new field of preaching in the academic circles all over the world, not only in India and United States, Canada, but Europe. Europe is going to be observe better centers along these lines. In fact, there are some very leading men in Cambridge and Oxford going to open the whole...
Prabhupāda: So arrange for that, what to do, immediately.
Room Conversation -- March 2, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: So arrange for that, what to do, immediately.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. So we have our Indian headquarters in Bombay, and we can organize in such a manner that...
Prabhupāda: Where you will give them place?
Girirāja: Well, we could give them where your quarters used to be. Next to the sannyāsī āśrama.
Prabhupāda: Will that do?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Room Conversation with GBC members -- March 2-3, 1977, Mayapura:
Prabhupāda: India's leaders, they are now giving stress on agriculture. So we should very nicely organize the Hyderabad. What you have resolved about that?
Hari-śauri: What have you resolved about Hyderabad?
Rāmeśvara: We resolved that we would send money from the record sales to help develop the food projects there, the farm there and the food distribution.
Prabhupāda: First of all you depute two or three GBCs to go there and see what is their program, how they'll utilize the money.
Room Conversation with GBC members -- March 2-3, 1977, Mayapura:
Satsvarūpa: Resolved: Pañcadraviḍa Swami will organize how to distribute prasādam to all visiting pilgrims on Gaura-Pūrṇimā day.
Prabhupāda: How many you are arranging?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How many are you arranging for?
Pañcadraviḍa: One hundred thousand.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One lakh.
Prabhupāda: Very good.
Room Conversation -- March 22, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: No, if our movement is organizedly pushed on, the Rajneesh position will be over. Rajneesh is already finished. He has no place in Bombay.
Room Conversation -- March 22, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: World Health Organization. Rascal, who is healthy? Everyone is going to die. "World Health Organization." They are manufacturing. They do not think that "Where is health?" Such foolish things are going on all over the world. So organize something reality and spread, slow but sure.
Room Conversation -- March 22, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Not this section, this nation, this religion, no, not like that. They are going to die, and they're organizing "health." Just see their intelligence. Butchers' health organization. Butcher is going to kill the animal tomorrow, and today he's seeing that health is..., healthy is animal. "Animal is...?" This is... So there is a health organization, WHO? World Health Organization?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. WHO. Geneva.
Room Conversation -- March 22, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: I was living in Rādhā-Dāmodara temple. It was not a palace. But before that, I was living in a palace. That is Keśī-ghāṭa. But this Gosāi called me that "You live here?" And "All right." Svarūpa Dāmodara Gosvāmī's, er, yes, Jīva Gosvāmī's place. "Let me go there." Now organize. Make very good plan that our Bombay temple will be always crowded with thousands of men and some program must go on.
Room Conversation -- March 24, 1977, Bombay:
Guest (1): That she is wrong, that is a different matter. If they can organize this way, we'll get more than one crore.
Prabhupāda: What is the position of Jagajīvana now?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: They are going to have two Deputy Prime Ministers. But I do not think Morarji Desai will stay Prime Minister for more than one or two years, because he's eighty-one years of age.
Room Conversation -- March 26, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Make them come, make them come. Treat them nicely. Give them good place. In this way increase the number of workers. Then people will, "Oh... They are not religious sentiments. They have got books, they have got scientists, they have got doctors." Is it not? And we can challenge them. "Come on, what is our education, let us test. We are prepared to talk with you like scientists." So you are all here now and... Organize in Bombay. Bombay, the center of Bhaktivedanta Institute.
Room Conversation with Ratan Singh Rajda (Member of Parliament) -- March 27, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Why not? He is honoring you.
Girirāja: Yes. So he said that he would ask the organizer that he should speak early in the program so that he can be free and come here as early as possible. So he is very serious. I don't think there will be any delay.
Room Conversation -- March 27, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: So nice thing. Even little done, you get chance again. The students who are coming, give them nice place, nice food, nice intelligence. Organize Bombay. You will get many enlightened students, professors, doctors. "Come on, live with us."
Room Conversation -- April 2, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: All right. So organize that party.
Guru dāsa: What about a receipt? Can you make one?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You want a receipt?
Guru dāsa: Just a kāccha one.
Prabhupāda: So you can keep it.
Room Conversation -- April 2, 1977, Bombay:
Girirāja: So what I was thinking, if you agree, is to go to Delhi for a few days, and he could introduce me to the pious members of Parliament, and then we could organize a whole group, and I could bring them there.
Prabhupāda: Do the needful. Go. At least, in India, there must be this spiritual institution. The whole world may take advantage of it. What is this cats' and dogs' race civilization? Is that civilization? Here is civilization, Bhagavad-gītā. Basic principles of civilization. So India should maintain this. People may... There are so many big universities. A student may go or may not go, but the university must be maintained. Because there is no student, therefore university closed. No. This Kṛṣṇa consciousness institution must be maintained for the benefit of the whole world. Mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartmani (BG 9.3). They do not know how nature's law is working.
Interview with Mr. Koshi (Asst. Editor of The Current Weekly) -- April 5, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: We are preaching what Kṛṣṇa says. We do not mind what others says. There may be similarities, there may not be similarities. It doesn't matter. But we are concerned with the instruction that Kṛṣṇa says. I haven't got to tally what Kṛṣṇa says and what you say. I have no business to do that. We are simply concerned what Kṛṣṇa says. Now if you like, you can take it. If you don't like, you take your own. But we are speaking only on Kṛṣṇa. So our lamentable subject matter, subject is that India has got so great exalted knowledge on Bhagavad-gītā, and the government has got Cultural Department, and all leaders, at least they are supposed to give support to Bhagavad-gītā. Why they are not taking seriously and give it to the...? And they are taking it seriously. My single attempt to preach the teachings of Bhagavad-gītā as it is, they are accepting it all over the world. Why not give it an organized way. All the Indian leaders, they are simply imitating jumping like the Western people.
Room Conversation -- April 5, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: They can do, all their political divisions. These rascals, they can do. Anything. They have no principles, no morality, no standard of morality, nothing. Simply all rogues and thieves. It will more and more. All rogues and thieves will take part in politics. That is stated. Dasyu dharmeṇa. Just like dasyu, the burglar, the thieves, they have got organization how to get money. So they, the government, they'll be rogues and thieves. And whenever there is necessity of money, then tax. You work hard; they will tax. Organized burglars, organized guṇḍās. And Indira was doing that. Indira and company. Take the power and club(?) them and do whatever you like. She is a prostitute; her son is a guṇḍā. This is the sample of the... But it will be done all round the world. This is a sample of that.
Room Conversation -- April 5, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: If you say that Gandhi could not do anything, people will be angry. But see, study the whole history. What did he do? Did the Britishers care for Gandhi's nonviolent movement? Pat him. "Let this rascal go on with his movement. We'll go on." That was the disagreement with Subhash Bose. Subhash Bose said, "Mahatmaji, they will never go by this nonviolence. You have to take to violence." He said that "I will never have independence, but I will not take it." Therefore he left India. When he organized that INA and when the Britishers felt the (indistinct), "Now the soldiers have joined," all hopes lost. They did not give up India for Gandhi's nonviolence.
Room Conversation with Ratan Singh Rajda M.P. 'Nationalism and Cheating' -- April 15, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: And we are proud of manufacturing cycle and sewing machine. So that is my request, that I have started it. Make it an organized institution that the people from all parts of the world...
Mr. Rajda: Would come over here.
Prabhupāda: ...would come here and learn this knowledge. This is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission is...
Mr. Rajda: Gauḍīya mission.
Prabhupāda: Not Gauḍīya mission. Caitanya's mission, Lord Caitanya. You know Lord Caitanya.
Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- April 18, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Let him come here. Organize all other scientists.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I'm going to request him to become a member of Bhaktivedanta Institute and put his name and degrees...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Morning Conversation -- April 19, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: There is no excepting an Englishman. So anyway, you make these four men, subcommittee, and you take whatever land is given, given up to Kṛṣṇa. Then pick up selected persons from each family and make a strong body. And then we organize Burma and Bangladesh. And he's going to Ceylon. Formerly India, Burma, Ceylon, they were one. And somebody's going to Pakistan. So there is chance of uniting all these different parts of India by Kṛṣṇa consciousness. You have to organize. At least you organize here, Manipur center, Burma, and Bangladesh, and Assam. It will be successful.
Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 23, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: But... So your duty is to cooperate. Mamaivāṁśo jīva-bhūtaḥ (BG 15.7). Living entities, Kṛṣṇa says, they are part and parcel. Just like this finger is part and parcel of my body. It's duty, primary duty, is to cooperate what I say. I say the finger, "Come here." Immediately... That is the duty. That is cooperation. And I say the finger, "Come here," and finger goes anywhere, that is not cooperation. Similarly, whatever Kṛṣṇa says, you do it. That is cooperation. Then it will be successful. If you manufacture your own meaning, amendment, and your scholarship, nonsense, then you spoil. In politics, nonviolence? Hm? Just see. Do you think Gandhi became successful by nonviolence? Do you think? Violence. When Subhas Bose organized this I.N.A. it was successful. Otherwise he failed in South Africa; he failed in India.
Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 23, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: No, it is a fact. When Subhas Bapu... He was always pleading, "Gandhiji, these people are not to go by your nonviolence, and we have to take to violence." Gandhi would say, "I will not fight. Sva-rājya." Then Subash went outside India. Somehow or other, he organized. And when the Britishers saw that "The military force, they are joining national movement. Now it is no hope..." Because the Gurkhas and the Sikhs and other military races, they were cooperating with the Britishers, therefore they were maintaining. They could not bring soldiers from their country. And when they saw, "The soldiers are joining Subhas," they left. "Now independence." This is a fact. Otherwise Gandhi he was patting, "Mahatmaji, you are such a great man."
Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 23, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: No, no, in politics, when you deal in politics there is no question... Kṣatriya therefore. These things should be trained up. Some of them should be trained up as brāhmaṇa. Some of them should be trained up as kṣatriya, some of them as vaiśya. They are required. So these things we want to organize. We can give you instruction. We can give you help. Now you have to do it, the leading... But it will be done. If you follow our instruction, it will be done. So the buildings are there. There is no...
Mr. Dwivedi: The buildings...
Prabhupāda: Simply it has to be repaired. Climate, I think, it is good, eh? Eh?
Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 23, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: So if we go and stay there and organize...
Mr. Dwivedi: I mean, these days it's quite pleasant at our headquarters, but Gwalior, it is very hot.
Prabhupāda: No...
Mr. Dwivedi: Mosquitos also.
Prabhupāda: So we shall go there.
Mr. Dwivedi: At our place it's quite fine.
Prabhupāda: Building is there.
Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, Swamiji, not one buildings. Lot of buildings.
Prabhupāda: So many. So why not think over it? Let us go there for some time and organize.
Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 23, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: Then we can go immediately and stay there for some time and organize. Immediately. I...
Mr. Dwivedi: And it will be fine, the line Your Holiness has suggested, a temple, although we do not have a temple in our colony itself, but we have a temple roundabout or the temple atmosphere where we are having our own...
Prabhupāda: No, so many buildings... If there is any hall, if there is any big hall for tem...?
Mr. Dwivedi: Yes, sir, very big hall. We have a hall to accommodate at least four hundred people.
Prabhupāda: Oh, that is quite good.
Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 23, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: So let us arrange like that. So... So let us arrange. Let us go there. If it is cooperation available, we take immediately. There is no doubt. Because we want to organize every village. Pṛthivīte āche yata nagarādi grāma. (CB Antya-khaṇḍa 4.126) That is Caitanya Mahāprabhu's mission. Not only your vill...
Mr. Dwivedi: So ours has been an institution, signed and all that. We're carrying things in the majority, but really...
Prabhupāda: So now one thing...
Mr. Dwivedi: ...we are working under the direction of our guru.
Prabhupāda: ...can be said in the meantime, how this property...
Mr. Dwivedi: He started all this. He is my guru. He started this, all the activities there. And we were all working under his directions. When we had our, say, our discussion, if he liked, he said, all right. If he did not like, if...
Prabhupāda: And that should be.
Second Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 24, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: You can also inform him that we are going to organize the village organization according to Gandhi's program.
Mr. Dwivedi: Yes.
Prabhupāda: That is our proposal.
Second Meeting with Mr. Dwivedi -- April 24, 1977, Bombay:
Prabhupāda: (Hindi) So what you will gain from naṣṭa, bhraṣṭa? (Hindi) We shall give pure. Then you see how your country becomes happy. That is real dayā. (Hindi) Śrama eva hi kevalam (SB 1.2.8). (Hindi)
- bhaktim udasya te vibhoḥ kliśyanti
- hi kevala-bodha-labdhaye
- teṣāṁ kleśala eva avaśiṣyate
- nānyat yathā sthūlaṁ tuṣāvaghaṭṭainam
Bhagavad-gītā is for bhakti. Bhakto 'si priyo 'si me rahasyaṁ hy etad uttamam: (BG 4.3) "I am speaking to you..." When Kṛṣṇa spoke to Arjuna Bhagavad-gītā to understand, he was not a vedāntī. He was not even a brāhmaṇa. He was not a sannyāsī. So why he was selected? Bhakto 'si. Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti (BG 18.55). Without becoming kṛṣṇa-bhakta, what one will understand Bhagavad-gītā? A politician cannot understand. His motive is different. He cannot understand. Man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī... Bhakta... How to become bhakta? Bhaktyā mām abhijānāti (BG 18.55). Kṛṣṇa says, "By bhakti one can understand." He never said, "By jñāna, karma, yoga..." No. Yoginām api sarveṣāṁ mad-gata... (BG 6.47). Eh? What is that? Antar-ātmanā, śraddhāvān bhajate yo māṁ sa me yuktatamo... So if you want to organize on that line, then it will be successful. Otherwise it is waste of time. That is real cooperation, that we must accept Bhagavad-gītā as it is and preach as it is. Then people will be happy. Otherwise waste of time. Śrama eva hi kevalam (SB 1.2.8).
Short Dissertations -- May 24-25, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Naturally so much good reception... So organize. These people will not give.
Jayapatākā: Who?
Prabhupāda: These rascals, Gauḍīya Maṭha.
Discussions with Devotees and Conversation with Dr. Ghosh -- June 1, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: He's organizing this, that Poland, communist country. He has accepted hard knot. And knocking. (Bengali)
Bhavānanda: Śrīla Prabhupāda, would you like to go up to the roof now?
Prabhupāda: I have no objection. (Bengali) You are all able.
Discussions -- June 2, 1977, Vrndavana:
Girirāja: "And Śrīdhara Goswami. The committee members who have herein been designated are appointed for life. In the event of the death or failure to act for any reason of any of the said committee members, a successor committee member or committee members may be appointed by the remaining committee members, provided that the new committee member is an initiated disciple and following strictly all the rules and regulations of ISKCON as detailed in the books of His Divine Grace..." Oh. "...detailed in my books, and provided that there are never less than three or more than five committee members acting at one time. 4. I have created, developed and organized the International Society for Krishna Consciousness, and as such, I hereby will that none of the immovable properties in India in the name of ISKCON shall ever be mortgaged, borrowed against..."
Prabhupāda: Why India? Everywhere. Everywhere.
Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana:
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I have taken that idea because in the United States there is a conference called Garden(?) Conference, and I want to develop this in the future as a regular feature of our movement, organize this conference all over the world. We'll title as "Bhaktivedanta Vijñāna Conference," and it involves all sources of knowledge. Just like Garden Conference. They have a meeting in Boston, in Harvard, in chemistry, and Garden Conference is in all fields, in physics, chemistry, the humanities. It is very respected all over the academic world. So we also wanted to generate a spiritual scientific conference along these lines.
Prabhupāda: Bhaktivedanta is spiritual.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So is that title sound not so attractive, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Yes, but they may not take it seriously.
Talk with Svarupa Damodara -- June 20, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Janmanā brāhmaṇo guruḥ. As soon as you take birth, brāhmaṇa is your guru. So where is brāhmaṇa? Tad-vijñānarthaṁ sa gurum eva abhigacchet (MU 1.2.12). Where is that guru? Therefore the society, chaotic condition.... As soon as you take birth, you have to accept brāhmaṇa guru. So there must be brāhmaṇas. Therefore Kṛṣṇa says, cātur-varṇyaṁ māyā sṛṣṭam (BG 4.13). There must be brāhmaṇas. Otherwise where is human society? It is animal society. In the animal society they are clever, enjoy. "How! How! How! How!" Jackals and tigers and big, this animal, that animal, they are everything. Where is the brāhmaṇa? This is the first time attempt is being made—"There must be brāhmaṇas"—this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. They do not know the aim of life, how it should be organized, what kind of members there should be. No knowledge. Therefore I have challenged that "Your brain is filled up with stool. You do not know how human society is happy." Here is janmanā brāhmaṇo guruḥ. So where is brāhmaṇa? Janmanā brāhmaṇo guruḥ.
Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- June 21, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Because you have to invite so many respectable, big scientists.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: We are coming back just at the end of August. It's only two months. At this time we are all coming together, and I have organized the Vṛndāvana conference. That's October 14, 15, 16. I have organized for three days. There will be six topics, in each day there'll be two topics.
Prabhupāda: Morning, evening.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Morning and the evening. And I'd like to have six chief guests. All, they will be scientists from Delhi and surrounding areas, some well-known scientists. And also I'm thinking of inviting a few political...
Prabhupāda: Leaders.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Leaders. Governor of the state and Educational Minister. Dr. Sharma told me that he can arrange those things easily.
Prabhupāda: So do that.
Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- June 21, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Organized by Bhaktivedanta... Write.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Institute...
Prabhupāda: Institute.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: "Organized by Bhaktivedanta Institute," we will write.
Prabhupāda: Is that all right?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Conversation with Svarupa Damodara -- June 21, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: That's nice.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So they're organizing these lectures, so we have a show on July 10th.
Prabhupāda: Make a great agitation. It will be done, if you work. (pause) A great challenge of the Bhaktivedanta Institute, for the whole world. Is it not?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Oh, yes.
Bhakti-caru: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Na te viduḥ. These rascals, they do not know. That is going on.
Conversation: 'How to Secure Brahmacaris' -- June 24, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Demon-crazy, yes. Crazy and demons. (Bengali) You should care. There will be no scarcity of food. There will be no scarcity of place. Now we have to organize. (Bengali)
Indian man (1): (Bengali)
Prabhupāda: Just bring the work and see how to do it. Viśvambhara is not here?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: He's gone outside. I heard his father and mother-in-law came from Delhi today.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They're, the pūjā... They make the loudspeakers. They're very famous.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: His father, mother?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah, that's Mr. Howdar(?). Yeah, he told me that he's going to get him to get a sound system for the temple, very first class.
Prabhupāda: Oh, Howdar sound system is there.
Conversation with Surendra Kumar and O.B.L. Kapoor -- June 26, 1977, Vrndavana:
Surendra Kumar: I told him that "These people will form the hard core, and that, our organization will be organized and then..." He also said that so many temples are dying out.
Prabhupāda: It will develop. (Hindi conversation) Thakur has become a source of income.
Conversation with Bhakti-caitanya Swami-New GBC -- June 30, 1977, Vrindaban:
Prabhupāda: It is not that he is prohibited to enter Delhi. It is not...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Actually, as an organizer, he takes pleasure in, you know, developing a center, so he's worked on that center. Now...
Prabhupāda: Center is already there. There are... Not that center is no center. So that center may be taken up. We have got already a place. Now take.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm thinking only that he's worked on Delhi with Bhāgavatāśraya and Prema(?) and others...
Prabhupāda: Let him do.
Letter from Yugoslavia--'Books!' -- June 30, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Manage nicely.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And this big gurukula as well, if we can organize that, phew!
Prabhupāda: The whole Vṛndāvana Gosai, they are perturbed that this temple is becoming very popular.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: How are they feeling about it, the Vṛndāvana Gosais?
Prabhupāda: Envious. They know the future. This will be the first-class temple. This is already.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This temple will be more important than Bankabihari.
Prabhupāda: Hm, hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I'm sure.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They are simply exploiting, and our mission is to give. That is the difference. They know their deficiency, that their business will have to... Common sense.
Room Conversation about Mayapura Attack Talk with Vrindavan De -- July 8, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: But everyone can be utilized if you organize it rightly. Three hundred dacoits there means government is very weak.
Room Conversation about Mayapura Attack Talk with Vrindavan De -- July 8, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: No, therefore they came in number, three hundred.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And it was very organized, they said. At night they came.
Vrindavan De: They can refer the matter to the Home Department. He's the Home Minister, I think, that Jyoti Bose. He is Chief and Home. He's controlling the police powers and force. (Bengali) Take action.
Prabhupāda: They must be doing something.
Room Conversation -- July 10, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Everything is there by Kṛṣṇa's grace. Simply if it is nicely organized, things will... Tamāla Kṛṣṇa is very much appreciating.
Room Conversation-Recent Mail -- July 14, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Organized very nice. Hm. "Gargamoney." (laughter)
Room Conversation-Recent Mail -- July 14, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Yes, Kṛṣṇa's blessings are there upon you. He is dictating the organizing capacity. Do it very nicely.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He says, "Pālikā, being the manager, is very active and happy and busily engaged in keeping all the files properly."
Prabhupāda: Now she has got right appointment. She's very intelligent girl. And give her proper assistance. She can do very nice work.
Room Conversation-Recent Mail -- July 14, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: So send Gargamuni many thanks for arranging in the libraries. Kṛṣṇa is blessing him. Organize in Bombay office very nicely, and arrange for printing enough stock. All money collected should be invested immediately. This is giving me new life, all these. Somebody is proposing to give us some dairy land? Dairy.
Room Conversation Mayapura attack -- July 15, 1977, Vrndavana:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You said that. I guess you must have got that information from the newspaper. I didn't know that. I mean just see. Fifty of them together stealing the grass. That's organized. Two hundred fifty people waiting in the bushes, knowing that we will try to stop them from stealing, and suddenly they all rush into the gate, destroy the gate, cut the wires, cut the telephone line, destroy the waterpumps. Every one of these things is criminal. We did not do anything wrong, no wrong in any case. And yet they arrest us. The American government... Actually this should be pushed from the American government. That will have tremendous effect. We should let the American government defend us.
Prabhupāda: Is the Consulate has come?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. The Consulate went to Māyāpur.
Prabhupāda: We already said that this is a Communist plan.
Room Conversation Mayapura attack -- July 15, 1977, Vrndavana:
mentioned.
Prabhupāda: So many stories fabricated.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Fifty men stealing our crops. I've seen in Māyāpur. When men steal crops, three, four men go. I never saw fifty men. Highly organized. They must have paid them to do this.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Room Conversation Mayapura attack -- July 15, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: And they shifted very organizedly. The cows, tuck bag, then the guards with bows and arrows, then old men, women, children in carts.
Room Conversation about Grhasthas -- July 17, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: So he wants to organize a center there?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, he was thinking of organizing business.
Prabhupāda: Then Bombay is better place than Bangalore.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. He admits it's a better place. No, he can be encouraged very easily to go to Bombay. I mean, generally, throughout our Society, I don't think the trend of the gṛhasthas is to move away from temples and live independently. If they live independently from the temple, it's in close...
Prabhupāda: No, no. There is chance, I said.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Room Conversation -- July 19, 1977, Vrndavana:
opening and Janmas..."
Prabhupāda: Very encouraging letter. Very encouraging letter. I am very pleased. If our farm project is organized all over the world... (break) You know that? Are you aware of this plan?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes.
Room Conversation Gaurasundara, Dr. Kapoor -- July 26, 1977, Vrndavana:
Dr. Kapoor: Svarūpa Dāmodara.
Prabhupāda: And he was walking with me on the seaside, and I was chastising him, kicking him, and refuting. (laughs) Now he has organized this Bhaktivedanta Institute.
Room Conversation -- July 27-28, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: We don't want any profit. We don't want any profit. You produce. You eat. You chant. Organize. Don't go outside.
Room Conversation -- July 27-28, 1977, Vrndavana:
Yaśomatīnandana: Now we will organize. Just now we had to rush everything.
Prabhupāda: No. No, no. Don't make it a rush.
Yaśomatīnandana: Because we had no facilities there.
Prabhupāda: No, you can prepare bricks. By brick... Make in such a way that we get local supplies.
Room Conversation -- August 8, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Gandhi tried twenty years to get little equal rights. The General Smuts refused. He was failure in South Africa. And then he decided that "I shall drive these Europeans, Englishmen, from India." He came. That also he could not do. Here also, for thirty years he struggled. He was failure, nonviolent. It is Subhash Bose's INA which drove away these Englishmen. You know that? That Indian Army, what is that, INA, Indian National Army? When he organized this National Army, then the Englishmen came to sense that "Now we cannot rule over." This rascal was going on, nonviolence... (laughter) While... "We shall pat them: 'Oh, yes, you are so powerful. Oh, why you are trying to drive away?' " And he'll be... "Oh..." The Baitland(?) Colony in a loincloth, and engaged in the sun chair.(?) He had no practical knowledge. He started the movement from 1917, and actually it was... Independence was given, 1947. Thirty years he failed. Twenty years he failed there.
Room Conversation -- August 10, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhaviṣṇu: Yes. Then we can export the books also into West Bengal.
Prabhupāda: Yes. In this way organize these two places with the courage of an Englishman and the heart of a Bengali mother. And we should ventilate in the papers that this Indian investment of American money is not American money. It is my money. I have written books, laboring whole night. The American boys have cooperated with me by printing, by distributing, and the money was received by selling the books. So the books are mine. I have given to the society. So I have done business, regular, in foreign countries.
Room Conversations Bangladesh Preaching/Prabhavisnu Articles by Hamsaduta -- August 11, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Progressing means eating, sleeping, nothing more progress. He eats by killing an animal in the jungle, and you are eating, killing an animal in the organized slaughterhouse. That's all. So what is the difference between you and him? You are committing sinful activities by hammering, the killing, but he does not do so. He's not so sinful.
Room Conversations Bangladesh Preaching/Prabhavisnu Articles by Hamsaduta -- August 11, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. (break) ...bad education. They have learned to... No education. (aside:) Get this down here. I am seriously thinking how to do. Organized, a society for sinful activities, Western. Now you are advanced, sincerely carry on. At least in America.
Room Conversation -- October 2, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: The leaders are... Similarly, leaders of this temple, they will have to organize.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Hm? No, we're able to see these things are going on.
Prabhupāda: But you never inquire.
Room Conversation -- October 3, 1977, Vrndavana:
Haṁsadūta: Oh, yes. The new government there, they pride themselves in being a dharmiṣṭha society, based on the teachings of Buddha. So I submitted an open letter to the same press, that "How is it dharmiṣṭha if the government is in fact supporting the organized slaughterhouses, that the government maintains the liquor industry, the tobacco industry, the tea industry, and they encourage cinema, nightclub, hotel, tourism, which encourages prostitution?" I said, "Where is the dharma? Dharma means four things: no animal slaughter, no intoxication, like that." The editor promised that he would publish it today. So if they publish it, it will also be a very controversial...
Prabhupāda: So, and they are giving us some status to stay there?
Haṁsadūta: No, we have no official status. The way to function there is that you can stay for six months if you bring three dollars a day for them, and then go out, and you can come back the next day. They want to get rid of all religious groups. They want only their Buddhist group. They want to make the Buddhist religion as the state religion.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Room Conversation -- October 4, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Make it clear. Organize gradually. Shift the money to other banks so they may not know. And that is the best policy.
Room Conversation -- October 6, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Of course, if I die, there is nothing to be ruined. You are all participants. So organize this farm project, simple living. Human life is meant for God realization. Try to help them. This is my...
Paramānanda: We're always feeling your presence very strongly, Śrīla Prabhupāda, simply by your teachings and your instructions. We're always meditating on your instructions.
Prabhupāda: Thank you. That is the real presence. Physical presence is not important.
Room Conversation -- October 8, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: That is my desire. Don't waste time for bodily comforts. You have got this body. You have to eat something. You have to cover yourself. So produce your own food and produce your own cloth. Don't waste time for luxury, and chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is success of life. In this way organize as far as possible, either in Ceylon or in Czechoslovakia, wherever... Save time. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Don't be allured by the machine civilization.
Room Conversation -- October 8, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: And money, spend for Kṛṣṇa—for Kṛṣṇa's palace, for Kṛṣṇa's temple, for Kṛṣṇa's worship, gorgeous, as gorgeously as... Not for false... This is the human civilization. And to organize this, varṇāśrama will help you to divide the society—brāhmaṇa, kṣatriya, vaiśya—as there is division in the body. That will help. Don't waste human form of body for sense gratification. I wanted to introduce this. Now I have given you ideas. You can do it. You are all intelligent. For Caitanya Mahāprabhu's para-upakāra... So you do good to others. Not exploit others. Any human being who has been bestowed by this body has the capacity to chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Give them chance and make situation favorable. Is that clear?
Haṁsadūta: Yes, it's clear, Prabhupāda. You have made everything very clear.
Prabhupāda: Passed stool.
Haṁsadūta: Yes, Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break) (kīrtana)
Prabhupāda: Nava-yogendra, organize Africa and South Africa. They are also gradually taking. So who is going there?
Brahmānanda: Jayatīrtha.
Room Conversation -- October 8, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Yes. Try to bring him back. He is very competent. So jointly organize South Africa, both Europeans, Americans, Africans. Tulasī dāsa is very competent also. United Nations under Caitanya Mahāprabhu's flag, do everywhere. It is possible. Always that is simply a false attempt. This is the real.
Visit From Allopathic Doctor -- October 10, 1977, Vrndavana:
Brahmānanda: To distribute these books Cyavana Swami is having African devotees distribute them. He is organizing them. Cyavana Swami is good at organizing the Africans. But we are not able to distribute them for what it cost to print.
Prabhupāda: It doesn't matter.
Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: So with this cooperation, this institution will be very prestigious. So if it is possible, organize. But don't overburden.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: What is that overburden?
Prabhupāda: Other business may not suffer.
Room Conversation -- October 13, 1977, Vrndavana:
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Round-table conference. There will be other scientists from Delhi, like D. S. Kotari. D. S. Kotari is the ex-chairman of University Grants Commission. He's a very well known physicist. He's a very interested... I think he's the most interested in India in our field. He's retired and very respected. All Indian scientific community... Actually, this was his idea, that we set up a round-table conference in Indian National Science Academy. So we agreed to that. We'll have some sort of a debating form. So I'll bring all our members, and we'll have conference in Delhi. Also Krishnamurti... He's the director of television in Delhi. He's going to make some arrangement for us after the conference for the television appearance in New Delhi. Also most of the schools, they want us come and speak on the same topics that we are organizing here.
Prabhupāda: We want that they should be interested.
Room Conversation -- October 14, 1977, Vrndavana:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And Bhavānanda Mahārāja has organized everything very nicely. He's deputed different men in different places, so it's very nicely organized.
Prabhupāda: So I am thinking now to lay down. (break) Meeting is going on here, and you have gone to Bhagatji?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I haven't gone yet.
Room Conversation -- October 14, 1977, Vrndavana:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: All in all, though, it's still very impressive and very much encouraging. It's just like everything—it takes practice. This is the first of its kind. So for being the first, it's very nice. And it certainly is well organized. That's a fact. Everything is there—good guesthouse, nice prasādam and qualified speakers. You can see our men are very... They must be presenting thousands of facts. I mean every sentence they are backing up with some quotation or some substantial reference. They are very well prepared for these lectures.
Prabhupāda: But other parties, they are not taking interest.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Other parties mean?
Prabhupāda: Opposition.
Room Conversation With Svarupa Damodara -- October 15, 1977, Vrndavana:
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Vṛndāvana is so beautiful at this time, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Everyone's... The sky is so clear, the stars are so bright, and also the weather is so beautiful. We have a nice decoration of the hall. Last night one of the professors from Agra told me that he wants to have us organize this conference next year. He said this should be an annual feature, a science conference in Vṛndāvana every year.
Prabhupāda: Let them make advance in scientific research, but still they cannot capture the real thing.
Room Conversation -- October 24, 1977, Vrndavana:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Another article says, "Procession draws hundreds. The hundreds lined the streets of Durban on Sunday to watch young and old Hindus taking part in the colorful procession which was held as part of Lord Kṛṣṇa's birthday celebration." It tells all about a celebration in the city of Durban organized by our society.
Prabhupāda: It will be good for propaganda.
Room Conversation -- October 27, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Never mind. We have got big establishment and our, these European and American young boys, they have been trained up. Otherwise, how could I manage? We have nothing to do with politics. Rather, we are giving social service. What we'll do, politics? It is not our business. There are so many people. So the government should give us chance to organize a society for the highest benefit of human being. And they can see from our books what is our idea.
Room Conversation -- October 27, 1977, Vrndavana:
Prabhupāda: Now it will give thought that life is a different thing. It cannot be produced by material molecules. It is not possible. And Bhagavad-gītā they referred. And Bhaktivedanta Institute we have organized.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So it is good article.
Room Conversation -- October 29, 1977, Vrndavana:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Bhavānanda Mahārāja was saying how last night you were saying that there's nothing nicer and more fortunate than to be the pūjārī of a Deity. (break) We'll just get the sum and substance. He's offering his obeisances to Bhavānanda Mahārāja and the other devotees he met here. He says he's very anxious about your health and progress. He requested me to give him a report. He says as regards to starting of the dispensary and also organizing a health teaching center for educating the boys by the latest audio-visual methods, he said that you seemed to be very earnest about it. In fact, he says that you told him to start as soon as possible. But he wishes to explain some of his difficulties. So Sharma and Jagadīśa, the director of education, and... They they've promised to go through the idea. But he didn't find that Dr. Sharma showed much inclination for this idea. The actual thing, Śrīla Prabhupāda, is that we want him to have a dispensary. We're not so much eager for his educational training. Naturally Dr. Sharma was not so enthusiastic.
Prabhupāda: No. Ours is spiritual education, no medical education.
Room Conversation -- October 31, 1977, Vrndavana:
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So I have some experience with myself as organizing books distribution.
Prabhupāda: Hm, hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So when we would spend with our Rādhā-Dāmodara party, we used to spend about five thousand dollars a month for travel expenses, but for that five thousand dollars we would make a hundred thousand dollars.
Prabhupāda: Hm.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In other words twenty times whatever we spent on travelling...
Prabhupāda: And if he does not give substantial order then stop it.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, he's not giving any order. I mean the point I made to him was that...
Prabhupāda: Then don't give.
Room Conversation -- November 6, 1977, Vrndavana:
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Oh, it's arranged by the head of the chemistry department. There's one professor called Gupta. He's very enthusiastic. And there are also several professors who came to our conference. All of them are arranging together. There's one Dr. Sukla, also there's one Dr. Sharma. Three, four of them are organizing the lecture. They have... Most of the people I found there, they have great respect for ISKCON, and they appreciate Śrīla Prabhupāda's activities so much. I also requested them it is their responsibility to actually try to spread the genuine knowledge as a real science, scientists.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Stories and fables will not convince them.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I want to briefly outline tomorrow the comparative presentation of two aspects of modern science versus the Bhagavad-gītā, the varying concepts of life.
Prabhupāda: Very good.
| Page Title: | Organize (Conversations, 1976 - 1977) |
| Compiler: | Visnu Murti, Mayapur |
| Created: | 07 of Dec, 2010 |
| Totals by Section: | BG=0, SB=0, CC=0, OB=0, Lec=0, Con=207, Let=0 |
| No. of Quotes: | 207 |