Bali-mardana: He said what is realization of the spirit soul?
Prabhupāda: The spirit soul?
Bali-mardana: How does one realize? How does one know that . . .
Young devotee: That, that you are . . .
Satsvarūpa: Between theoretically knowing that you are not this body, and realizing.
Prabhupāda: Aḥ. Realizing means you can . . . it is very simple thing, that a living man and a dead man. So you can realize. There was soul, so he was living. Now the soul is not there, he's dead. Is there any difficulty? What is the difficulty? Why this man is dead? They may explain, these rascals, in so many ways, but actual, any simple man can understand that there was something, either you call it soul or something else, that is now missing. That soul has now gone. So one minute before, the body was so important, and now, after one minute, the passing of the soul, it is useless; throw it away. Is it very difficult to understand? That's all. That is realization. If you don't realize . . . just like a man, sleeping, but he is not sleeping. He's awakened. But a man is calling, "Mr. Such-and-such, wake up, wake up." But he's as if sleeping. So people who do not want to realize, there is no realization. Otherwise, it is very simple.