Kṛṣṇa is so kind that if you actually serious to understand. . . So just like this brāhmaṇa took instruction from his spiritual master and began to read Bhagavad-gītā, and he realized what is Kṛṣṇa, what is Govinda, similarly, if we take seriously the instruction of our spiritual master and try to read Bhagavad-gītā according to his instruction, then gradually we shall realize Kṛṣṇa. And if you simply realize Kṛṣṇa, what is Kṛṣṇa. . . That is not difficult. Kṛṣṇa is personally speaking about Himself. You haven't got to speculate like nonsense. Just like Gandhi speculated, "I do not believe that ever any person like Kṛṣṇa lived." Just see. Do you know that? This is Gandhi's statement. And he is mahātmā. The mahātmā's definition is there in the Bhagavad-gītā: mahātmānas tu māṁ pārtha daivīṁ prakṛtim āśritāḥ, bhajanty ananya-manasaḥ (BG 9.13). That is mahātmā, not to take advantage of Bhagavad-gītā. Of course, there are. . . So we do not want to criticize anyone, but sometimes it so happens, big, big scholars, big, big politicians, they misguide people. That is the position of India. So many big, big leaders and politician and so-called svāmīs and yogīs, they have exploited people by bluffing, and now India's position is: it is neither spiritual nor material. (laughter) That's all. Dhuno ke pap.(?) Just like it is, the example is, if there are two boats and if you place your leg this boat and that boat, the position is very precarious. (laughter) Neither in this boat, neither that boat fully.
So our position is that. We are learning technology, and the Western countries, they are advanced in technology always hundred years more. Some years ago there was a big exhibition in Delhi. The show was that India has manufactured cycle and sewing machine. That is their proud. The cycle, I think, two hundred years ago (laughs) was manufactured in the Western countries, and so also sewing machine. So India was very much proud, that "Now we have got cycle." When they are manufacturing big, big 747 airplane, we are manufacturing cycle. (laughter) Just see. Medicine also. And technology, that is also technology. They are advanced in. . . They are meant for this. They have got brain. They can advance in material civilization because fully. . . So we cannot compete. We cannot compete, although it is, this technology is the business of the śūdras. Technology is not the occupation for the brāhmaṇas, kṣatriyas or vaiśyas. No. In our country still, there are blacksmith, weaver, oil crusher. Still they are in the village. But they are śūdras.