Prabhupāda: And actually, because they are helping me, I have been able...
Surendra Kumar: They have been giving you help.
Prabhupāda: No, I mean to say, these Europeans...
Surendra Kumar: Yes, yes, I know, disciples, they are...
Prabhupāda: Otherwise how could I do?
Surendra Kumar: Sir, Your Divine Grace, to be very honest, I told him in his presence that "You know that we Indians are not honest and earnest about anything. If these people have given up their life there and they are devoting and dedicated their life, let us utilize them so that..."
Prabhupāda: Where is Tamāla? That boy? That black boy? What is his name?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Oh, Ghanaśyāma.
Prabhupāda: Ghanaśyāma. About his activities?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You want me to read it?
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, it is very interesting, how they are fighting against odds to introduce our movement. There is a written description.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: There's one Negro devotee of Prabhupāda. They're distributing books in communist countries. So he has written a report how they are fighting against odds.
Surendra Kumar: Oh, yes, I... Quite right.
Dr. Kumar: Ghanaśyāma came here last year.
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. That Negro boy.
Surendra Kumar: I told him that "These people will form the hard core, and that, our organization will be organized and then..." He also said that so many temples are dying out.
Prabhupāda: It will develop. (Hindi conversation) Thakur has become a source of income.
Surendra Kumar: I told him, "We are ready to take over the temples and run away from..." But, as Prabhupāda rightly said, everybody now has made it an institution for...
Prabhupāda: For earning money.
Surendra Kumar: ...for material advancement.
Prabhupāda: As we have got...
Dr. Kumar: No, I tell you, there are people... You see, if you tell them that "Come on, we shall spend a lakh or two lakhs of rupees on this temple. Are you agreeable?" they will say, "No." I have that experience. Why? Because if a temple is not in good condition, they go out, meet people and say, "Look here, this is the condition of the temple. Could you not donate something?"
Prabhupāda: No, I tried. Rādhā-Dāmodara Temple, I have tried.