Harikeśa: Well, just like a man may make a chemical reaction in the beginning by mixing two or three chemicals, but then the reaction takes place by itself. It doesn't need the man once he started it.
Prabhupāda: No, doesn't need the man . . . he is needed for another reaction. That will not take automatically.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So another theory is, why you have to say that there is a cause? It was always there. There was no cause. It was always there . . .
Prabhupāda: No, it is caused. Why do you say: "God created"?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, we say there is no God, and the creation was always there. There's no question of it not being there.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: There was always there. There was always . . .
Harikeśa: It's eternal.
Jagadīśa: Conservation of energy.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's eternal. There's no question of any creator being required. It is there.
Prabhupāda: No. Then why do you say: "God created and He became . . .?"
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We don't say.
Prabhupāda: He said.
Hṛdayānanda: He's another rascal. (laughter)
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He has . . . he is some sentimentalist, a fanatic, religious fanatic.
Prabhupāda: Then you talk. He said: "God created." You say not. Then you talk. Now you decide. Now he has accused you that you are a nonsense.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's a religious fanatic. I told him, he's a religious fanatic.
Prabhupāda: Not fanatic. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: You have no explanation, so you're simply giving it the name "God."
Prabhupāda: No, why not explanation? Why not explanation that, "Nature is working"? He said that "God is dormant. God created," and he accepted. And "God is dormant. He is not doing anything." But no, that's not the fact. The nature's work is going on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Nature is going on.
Prabhupāda: So the nature is directed by God.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No.
Prabhupāda: Why not?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's not. It's moving of its own accord.
Prabhupāda: Then he is another rascal. Nature cannot work automatically. Just like mother, nature mother. The mother cannot produce child without father.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right. Father and mother required.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So how do you say: "The mother is producing child without any father"? That you cannot say.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No, but why are you comparing nature to a father and mother?
Prabhupāda: This is also nature. Everything is nature. Are you outside nature? That is another nonsense. Your body is nature; your activities are nature; everything is nature. How you can say you are out of nature? Prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmāṇi (BG 3.27). He has got some intelligence, I have got some intelligence, but the intelligence is coming from nature. Otherwise how you are intelligent? Somebody is intelligent; somebody is dull. Unless there is some background, how do you find the difference? Here you see some flower is red, some flower white. How it is being done? You cannot say "automatically."