Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Missing link species. And they have . . . They have models of this missing link.
Prabhupāda: They know it; still "missing."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Although it's missing . . .
Prabhupāda: "Missing" means they know only, "Oh, he knows."
Hṛdayānanda: When I was preaching in California, one very famous anthropologist came to speak there, and he gave a new theory about the origin of the species. So he said . . . Before the audience he said that "Actually we have very little evidence of this theory."
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Hṛdayānanda: He said that "We have very little evidence for this theory," but he said that "All of you should not be disturbed, because our previous theory, we had no evidence whatsoever. (laughter) So this is an improvement."
Prabhupāda: He admitted. "Previous theory, that was nonsense," and still the nonsense going on.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: "So don't be disturbed."
Prabhupāda: Yes. "So you are dealing with all nonsense. Don't be disappointed."
Hṛdayānanda: Another professor, he was very, a world famous geneticist, professor of genetics, and he was . . . I remember, when I was a student there, he was always trying to prove that there was no God. That was his mission. So he was in so much anxiety—he's an older man—that he would simply stand up every day and shake. During the whole class he was actually shaking with anxiety. He could hardly speak. He was famous scientist.
Prabhupāda: Why he was shaking?
Hṛdayānanda: He was in so much anxiety. He was very, very nervous. He would just shake, always trying to prove there is no God. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . .their society, and they are advocating, "No temple or Deity worship." So one boy, so he was a member of this society. So there is Śītalā-mātā, the goddess of smallpox. So he had some trouble in the house, smallpox. So he thought of going to the Śītalā-mātā's temple. So he's entering the temple and seeing in this way, "Mother, I am your devotee but they will tax me. Therefore I am going out." (laughter) Hare Kṛṣṇa. So this man, he is afraid of God, but he has to preach there is no God. So he was feeble.
Hṛdayānanda: In every class he would smoke at least four or five cigarettes. He was so nervous. (break)
Prabhupāda: The living entity is victimized, and in this life you can adventure to conquer over it. This is human life. The cats and dogs, they cannot fight with maya, but a human being, he can fight. So if we don't fight, we don't take that adventure, then we remain cats and dogs. The cats and dogs, they fight amongst themselves but not with the maya. So aborigines, although they have got features of human being, they are no more than the cats and dogs. So they also fight amongst themselves. They do not know that the fighting spirit should be utilized to declare war against maya. That is possible in human life. Athāto brahma jijñāsā. This fighting is philosophy: "What is the ultimate cause? What is Brahman? What I am?" Fighting against darkness, sleeping. Kota nidrā jāo maya-piśācīra kole. Everyone is sleeping on the lap of maya. Now, this human form of life is not for sleeping but for awakening and fight with maya. That is human life. (break) You were reading the other day why the sun changes color after rising?
Jagadīśa: The refraction of the light rays.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Hṛdayānanda: He said that the light rays pass through the clouds, and this diverts the light rays in different ways.
Prabhupāda: So where is the cloud?
Jagadīśa: Not necessarily a cloud.
Dayānanda: Through the atmosphere, the air.
Indian man (1): Atmosphere density is different, so it changes.
Prabhupāda: Density?
Jagadīśa: When it is directly overhead . . .
Prabhupāda: Oh, it is fixed up. Why it should change?
Jagadīśa: When it's directly overhead, there is . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, overhead means it has gone. If it is fixed, why it should change color?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We have gone; it has not.
Jagadīśa: It changes color to us. It doesn't change color. To our eyes . . .
Prabhupāda: Why?
Jagadīśa: . . .the color changes.
Prabhupāda: Why?
Jagadīśa: Because our eyes are not so . . ., are blunt.
Hṛdayānanda: They say because the light rays . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. If the sun is fixed, so why our eyes will change? If we see in the beginning, as you see, it is red, and it is fixed, it should remain red.