Karandhara: That possibility is also there. We know that by performances of certain types of sacrifices you can become, and go to the demigod planet...
Prabhupāda: That difference is that one apartment is better than the other apartment. Material.
Śyāmasundara: They would say that from the lowest apartments we are evolving to the better apartments.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So according to your position. Just like if you... There are different apartments: first-class apartments, second-class apartments, third-class apartment. But as you are fit to pay the rent or price, then you are allowed to enter in the apartment. The apartments are already there—first-class, second-class, third-class. They are not evolving.
Śyāmasundara: They say all living things on this earth are evolving in that way, from lower to higher. In the history of the earth...
Prabhupāda: That also may be accepted, because just like at certain period, people are constructing a certain type of apartment, next stage they construct a different type of apartment. That can be accepted. But the apartment itself is not evolving; the evolution is taking, of the apartment, on the desire of something else.
Śyāmasundara: On the desire of something else.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: So just like...
Prabhupāda: That they do not know.
Śyāmasundara: Oh, I see. Just like...
Prabhupāda: They say simply the apartment is changing.
Śyāmasundara: Just like if it suddenly got cold, the spirit soul would desire to be warm so he would evolve a body with hair.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That we say. That is our..., according to the mentality at the time of death you get another apartment. But the apartment is already there.
Śyāmasundara: I see. So if conditions suddenly change...
Prabhupāda: Change of mind.
Śyāmasundara: ...a new apartment would arrive on the scene because the...
Prabhupāda: Not will arrive, it is already there.
Karandhara: Simply awarded.
Prabhupāda: It is already there.
Karandhara: The material nature has it in its closet...
Prabhupāda: Yes. "If you want this, come on, here."
Karandhara: ...that, that dress...
Prabhupāda: "If you want this, come on here." It is already there.
Śyāmasundara: And then all the others will die out and that new one will begin, because the...
Prabhupāda: Everyone will die. Everyone will die means change his apartment. Now at the time of changing apartments... Suppose I am here, I have to change another, so I can select my apartment, what kind of apartment I shall have. But that apartment is already there. I'll have to simply make arrangement, that's all. It is not that I am creating that apartment.
Śyāmasundara: The elements, material elements, ingredients are already there.
Prabhupāda: Already there.
Karandhara: The possibilities are unlimited so it's not possible to make such a close...
Prabhupāda: And that apartment is fixed up 8,400,000. Now you can enter into any apartment. Or it is to be ascertained that you cannot think beyond this. Just like a hotel owner, he has got different types of apartments, and he knows the customer cannot think beyond it. So any customer wants, "I'll give this apartment." So by nature's way there are 8,400,000's of apartments. You simply change according to your mentality: "I want this," "All right. Come on."