Śyāmasundara: I'm still trying to understand what you mean by the species of human life. It's not clear to me. I don't understand what you mean by the different species of human life.
Prabhupāda: By culture.
Śyāmasundara: By culture.
Prabhupāda: Yes. One class of human being...
Śyāmasundara: But everyone is looking for money. You said the field worker is not the same as, or is the same as the carpenter, because they're both looking for money.
Prabhupāda: Yes. But one who knows how to earn money very easily, and one may not know. That is culture. That is culture. One man is sitting in one place earning daily one lakhs of rupees.
Śyāmasundara: So big industrialists and field workers are two different species of men.
Prabhupāda: Not species, class. Jāti.
Śyāmasundara: Jāti. So when you say 400,000 species of human life...
Prabhupāda: It is difference of culture.
Śyāmasundara: It's different from what we think of as species.
Prabhupāda: Culture.
Devotee: It's not species in the bodily...
Karandhara: So the angle of vision is not from the bodily, it's from the closeness of the soul to Kṛṣṇa consciousness, as far as they're able...
Prabhupāda: Unless you accept soul and consciousness, there cannot be question of culture.
Śyāmasundara: But when the scientists say "species," they mean different types of bodies.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We say 400,000 different forms of body, so human body, just like Negroes, they are also human beings, and you are also human beings. So this, scientists will say they are all one species, human being. But we say that Negro culture and the Āryan culture is different.
Śyāmasundara: They also say their bodies are different, Negroid bodies or Caucasian bodies, or Oriental bodies...
Prabhupāda: Then you can say species. Species and the different bodies.
Śyāmasundara: Species means different bodies. too
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Karandhara: So the consciousness, the body, or my form, it's pertaining to my consciousness, the development of my consciousness.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You and your brother may be of the same type of body; there may not be a different, same type of consciousness.