Hṛdayānanda: We have one devotee who was a member there. Now he is a devotee. There is one of our members, he is just a young boy, and he went to the Guru Maharaj-ji, and then when he heard our philosophy, now he is with us. Bāṇabhaṭṭa, name is. Now he is a nice devotee. Just as you always say that a sincere person cannot be misled.
Prabhupāda: Yes, Kṛṣṇa will help him. (japa) (break)
Yaśomatīnandana: This whole world is really nirviśeṣa-śūnyavādi.
Prabhupāda: Yes, they have become fools and rascals. That's all.
Yaśomatīnandana: So significant, this prayer. The whole world, including India. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . difficulty is that because they are poverty-stricken, they want some money now. They are thinking that "About God we shall think later on."
Yaśomatīnandana: Is it all right to blame the government in public, Prabhupāda, in India?
Prabhupāda: No, what is that government? Government is elected by the public. If public is polluted, the government must be polluted. (greeting someone) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Public votes somebody, "Take charge of government." So if the public selects somebody nonsense, the government must be nonsense.
Yaśomatīnandana: Yes. In other words, to tell the public that, "You should elect God-conscious leaders to have a better society."
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That is our propaganda that, "This is the standard of leadership. So if you elect first-class leader, then your government will be first class. But if you elect some rogues and thieves, drunkards, then how you can expect good government?" This is natural. After all, democracy means the public elect. The public does not know how to distinguish the rogues and thieves.
Therefore the rogues and thieves take the advantage of it and, somehow or other, and take vote and sit on the presidential chair. That is difficulty. Just like our propaganda is . . . we are not making any propaganda in the beginning that, "Stop this cow slaughter." We are educating people, "Don't eat meat." If people become educated, automatically the slaughterhouse will be closed. This is our propaganda. "Don't drink." So if people give up drinking, automatically the drinking business will be closed. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (Prabhupāda gets in the car)
Prajāpati: You have given us this instruction, Śrīla Prabhupāda, to confront these leaders. We understand that this is your very much wish, and we shall do everything we can to try to fulfill your desire.
Prabhupāda: Yes, do it. Do it.
Devotees: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda. (break)
Prabhupāda: If you can educate the people, "Don't vote for the rascals. Just try to understand who is the real man, who is the real leader."
Hṛdayānanda: So political program is very important.
Prabhupāda: Yes. If the public is educated to select right type of leader, then automatically . . . and it is very easy thing that, "Leader must be faithful. A leader must know what is God and how to trust in Him. And he must be free from all sinful activities. The pillars of sinful activities are these." This is our propaganda.