Prabhupāda: There have been many cases; there is all of a sudden fire. The man has left everything, and his baby was there. He was crying, "Oh, I have left my . . ." The natural tendency—"First of all save me." Self-preservation is the first law of nature. So why did he forget about his baby? Now, when he comes out, he is thinking about baby. This is natural, that he does not think about himself; he is thinking about future generation. "What nonsense will come as my son or grandson?" Just see. This is fourth-class man.
Amogha: So he should first save himself, then think about how to save others.
Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all he must know what he is actually saving. That he does not know. He is thinking of his country. Suppose next birth he becomes a cow and his countrymen will send him to the slaughterhouse. So what is the use of having your country? The same country, the national . . . the cow is also national, you are also national, but the law is the cow is to be sent to the slaughterhouse. Therefore they have been all described as mūḍhā, rascals, only rascals. Except a Kṛṣṇa conscious person, all persons are rascals. Do you admit or not?
Amogha: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is authoritative statement of Kṛṣṇa. Na māṁ duṣkṛtino mūḍhāḥ prapadyante narādhamāḥ (BG 7.15). So these classes of men do not surrender to Kṛṣṇa. So anyone who has not surrendered to Kṛṣṇa, he comes within these categories. This is a plain description if we believe in Bhagavad-gītā. All rascals.
Amogha: But he would say, "There are many people also like me who. . . We don't harm anybody. We just live our own life, and . . ."
Prabhupāda: But you harm yourself. Because you are a rascal, you do not know what is your future. You do not harm others, but you are harming yourself. You do not know what you are and how you are harming yourself. You are such a rascal. You pose to be that you do not make any harm to anyone, but you are doing harm to yourself. Na te viduḥ svārtha-gatiṁ hi viṣṇum (SB 7.5.31). You do not know what is the harm to yourself. You are such a fool. So what is the use of . . .? Nobody can do any harm to anyone. Everything is going on, nature's law. But you are doing yourself harm for your interest. You are such a fool.
Amogha: But I feel pretty happy. Everything seems to be . . . I have a good job.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. The ass also feels happy, dog also feels happy. So you are like ass, dog, like that. They also feel happy.