Śyāmasundara: Is this progress toward human immortality, is that a creative process?
Prabhupāda: What do you mean by creative process? This is not creative.
Devotee: Well, Bergson's idea of creative means we are creating our immortality.
Prabhupāda: No. You are immortal always, by constitution, but you are changing your bodies exactly like the moon is fixed but the bodies are changing, clouds, changing, and it appears that the moon is also going on, but moon is not going on. Similarly, soul is permanent.
Śyāmasundara: Is that process we take, from body to body to body, is that a creative process?
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. You create your own body, next body, as you desire. If you create your mentality like a dog, you get a body of a dog; if you create your mentality like a hog, you get a body of hog; if you create your mentality like a tree, then you become a tree; and if you create your mentality as servant of God, you go back to home, to Kṛṣṇa.
Atreya Ṛṣi: Has Bergson recognized that we may fall also, or does he think that we are constantly moving up?
Śyāmasundara: He says it's unpredictable, that the life force...
Prabhupāda: He does not know. At the present moment I am fallen, so even if I go to my original position, there is chance of again falling down. Otherwise, how I became fallen? Just like a child once falls and again stands up, he has got chance of again falling down. You cannot say, "Now he has stood up, he'll not fall again." That is not possible.
Devotee: The different kinds of bodies, they're just different phases of the illusion, because the real, spiritual body is always the same, it's not changing.
Prabhupāda: Yes. This is called sanātana, eternal.
Atreya Ṛṣi: But Prabhupāda, the process of realization, the process of reaching up to perfection, is the only creative process.
Prabhupāda: (break) You are creating disturbance, I say, "Get out." (indistinct)
Śyāmasundara: He says that the world is a machine for the making of gods. The world...
Prabhupāda: Another nonsense. Another nonsense. (indistinct) Uncover it. (Sanskrit). A rascal is beautiful so long as he does not speak. If he remains silent, then he looks very beautiful. But as soon as he speaks nonsense, then it is (indistinct).