Svarūpa Dāmodara: Śrīla Prabhupāda, we want to make a chart. Now from these gross elements, the five gross elements, we want to extend to...
Prabhupāda: Earth, water, air, fire.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: From there we want to include the, let's say this table, ninety-two..., what scientists call elements, this gold, silver, copper, all these elements.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is within earth.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But we are thinking that not only earth, but the water, air.
Prabhupāda: In the earth, there is already water, air, ether, fire, everything.
Rūpānuga: From previous.
Prabhupāda: Earth is the reservoir of all elements. As you go from earth to water, one is minus. From water, you go to fire, one is again minus. In this way, when you go up, ether, there is only one. And earth contains all the five.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: All the five gross elements.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So actually we can use just from earth all these ninety-two elements, like silver, gold...
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is in the earth. So many varieties of mixture.
Rūpānuga: Now is there an atom for each? Is there a copper atom?
Prabhupāda: That we do not take care of atoms, we take gross estimation. Must be atomic differences. Just like gold and mercury, little atomic difference. And it is suggested that tin, copper, and mercury, proportionately mixed it will become gold.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Once you told me that in Los Angeles.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now you can do that experiment. Then our poverty will be... (laughter) It is fact. There are many yogis, they prepare gold by drinking mercury. They drink mercury, overnight, next morning they pass urine and dip copper coins in it. And then after some time the copper coins put into the fire, it becomes gold.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: That's alchemist.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, they do that. But it is a fact that copper and tin and mercury proportionately mixed will produce gold.
- yathā kāñcanatāṁ yāti
- kāṁsyaṁ rasa-vidhānataḥ
- tathā dīkṣā-vidhānena
- dvijatvaṁ jāyate nṛṇām
This example is given by Sanātana Gosvāmī. As kaṁsya... Kaṁsya is mixture of copper and tin, bell metal. When it is properly treated with mercury, it becomes gold. Similarly, a human being properly treated by initiation, he becomes a brāhmaṇa. This example has been given by Sanātana Gosvāmī. Tathā dīkṣā-vidhānena dvijatvaṁ jāyate nṛṇām. Nṛṇām, he says, "of all human beings." He doesn't say a particular class or particular country. Śuddhyanti prabhaviṣṇave namaḥ. Everyone can be purified by the initiation process, by expert spiritual master. That is accepted in the śāstra.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: These elements, that science calls elements, gold and mercury, are these several other elements in the Vedic scriptures? Little information how they separate it, the technique they use...
Prabhupāda: Oh, that, that is not given. But they, all these metals, they are different forms of earth. You find in ores.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But they are all impure.
Prabhupāda: That's all right, you have to purify, but they are in the group of earth. We have to purify. Gold is also purified. It is taken from the mine, it is not pure gold. You have to treat it, then pure gold comes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But that treatment must involve a lot of process.
Prabhupāda: That may be, but by treating you can get, that's all. The metallurgists, they know.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Yes. So actually the Vedas must have known these techniques, because otherwise they cannot get this gold so easily.
Prabhupāda: No, there are gold mountains also.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Mount Sumeru?
Prabhupāda: There are gold mountains, silver mountains, iron mountains, copper road, everything is there. What is that?
Devotee (1): This is a new picture of Mars, just came in the Washington Post today. Here is what the scientists say the mountains are on Mars. Big crater they are talking about. This is a recent photo.
Prabhupāda: So? What do they say?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Says it's a Grand Canyon. Just like in Arizona there's a canyon called Grand Canyon.
Prabhupāda: So might be from Arizona? (laughter) Like Arizona, that means Arizona.
Rūpānuga: Just like Arizona, the same rocks you find in Arizona.
Prabhupāda: Just see.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: This is called Martian Grand Canyon, and an ocean meandering gorge ten times the size of Arizona's Grand Canyon.
Prabhupāda: That we can photograph it and make ten times, hundred times. Their business is in Arizona.
Rūpānuga: I think so.
Prabhupāda: And this is only the propaganda.
Rūpānuga: I agree. I think it was all like a movie set.
Prabhupāda: That's all. They are not going. Arizona is there, only accept. Why they are taking Arizona? That means they are in Arizona. Just like one man was stealing from the room, and there were some sounds, and the master of the house said "Who is there? What is that sound?" The man said, "No, I am not stealing. No, no I am not stealing." It is like that. (laughter)