Prabhupāda: (in car) They have not gone to the moon planet.
Paramahaṁsa: Really?
Prabhupāda: Yes. It is far, far away. Their calculation is wrong. They are going to a wrong planet.
Paramahaṁsa: It must be the Rahu planet.
Prabhupāda: Yes, or something else. Not moon planet.
Paramahaṁsa: How many...
Prabhupāda: It is above the sun planet.
Paramahaṁsa: Moon planet is further?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: Oh. Because they say that the moon planet is the closest planet to the earth. That is their calculation. And they say that it orbits around the earth, and then that the earth orbits the sun.
Prabhupāda: All wrong. What is the... According to them, what is the distance of sun planet?
Paramahaṁsa: Sun planet is 93,000,000 miles.
Gaṇeśa: They say the moon planet is only 250,000 miles.
Prabhupāda: It is wrong thing.
Paramahaṁsa: Is their calculation for the distance of the sun wrong also?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: 93,000,000? It says in the Bhāgavatam exactly what the distance?
Prabhupāda: The whole universe, diameter, is pañcaśat-koṭi-yojana. One yojana equal to eight miles, and one koti is ten miles, er, ten million. So pañcaśata, fifty into 10,000,000 into eight.
Paramahaṁsa: Yeah. So it's fifty crores yojana. Fifty crores yojanas?
Prabhupāda: Yes, fifty crore yojanas, pañcaśat. So one yojana equal to eight miles, one crore equal to ten million.
Paramahaṁsa: That's eighty million.
Prabhupāda: Hmm?
Paramahaṁsa: Eighty million times fifty.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Paramahaṁsa: Means 400,000,000
Śrutakīrti: Hmm. More than that. Four billion.
Paramahaṁsa: Four thousand million, which is four billion?
Śrutakīrti: Four billion miles.
Paramahaṁsa: Four billion miles is the diameter.
Prabhupāda: Is the diameter.
Paramahaṁsa: You gave that in The Teachings of Lord Caitanya also.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And the sun is in the middle.
Paramahaṁsa: So two billion miles from the edge of the universe.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And they say? 93,000,000.
Śrutakīrti: That's from the earth to the sun. That's not from the sun to the edge. That's from earth to the sun.
Amogha: Is earth near the edge of the universe?
Prabhupāda: No. There are many other planets down. Seven planetary system.
Paramahaṁsa: The higher planetary systems are closest to the sun? And then...
Prabhupāda: No, sun is the middle. This is circumference. Sun is the middle. And the whole diameter is fifty lakhs and... What is...? And moon is above, 200,000 yojanas above the sun.
Paramahaṁsa: Ah. 200,000 yojanas. That means 1,600,000 miles above the sun.
Prabhupāda: Above the sun. How they'll go? (laughter) They are going to the wrong..., bluffing only. I am repeatedly saying, they have never gone, simply bluff. How it is that they brought some dust? So brilliant, it is blazing, full. There is fire blazing. (walking:)
Paramahaṁsa: They say that they measured the moon and that it's very small compared to the earth, very tiny.
Prabhupāda: All wrong.
Paramahaṁsa: If it's a longer distance than the sun but still it appears so big in the sky, it must be a very large planet.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Similarly Venus and others, they are also above.
Paramahaṁsa: Oh, above the sun.
Prabhupāda: The sun is moving near about that. This is one universe, and there are thousands and millions of universe. Jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi. Yasya prabhā prabhavato jagad-aṇḍa-koṭi (Bs. 5.40). That is God's creation. And they are becoming God, "I am God." Yasyaika-niśvasita-kālam athāvalambya (Bs. 5.48). If we simply think of the creation of God, we can appreciate how great He is.
Paramahaṁsa: That's why it's described in the Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam?
Prabhupāda: They say, "God is great," but they do not know how great He is. That is explained in the Vedic literature. Of course, those who are saying "God is great," they are pious. And those who are saying that "I am God," how foolish they are. Therefore I say that anyone who says, "I am God," immediately kick with your shoes on his face. Such a cheater.
Amogha: There is... One of the disciples of Guru Maharaj-ji, Bala Yogesvara, is in Perth. They have their center here. And he is giving lectures daily, and many people are attending.
Prabhupāda: That he is God.
Amogha: There was an article in the paper yesterday from India that says that the Indian court has banned Guru Maharaj-ji from leaving India. They have issued an order that he must stay until the court has finished because his brother is suing. Because his brother published a photo showing Guru Maharaj-ji embracing and kissing an American girl in the paper. So the Guru Maharaj-ji published a picture of his brother doing the same thing. But they say it was a fake photo, so the court is holding him in India, and they're having a legal battle, suing each other to see who is God.
Prabhupāda: Farce.
Paramahaṁsa: It seems like these demons who say that they are God, eventually they will end up destroying each other.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Now they are fools, rascal, bluffing, but even the scientists, they are also bluffing. Now Russia and America combined together, going? Just see where they are going.
Paramahaṁsa: Here's one article about scientists in the paper. It says, "Wonder food will help control heart disease." They say they have a new way of feeding beef and poultry so that the food now, when they eat the beef, it won't give them heart attack.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Paramahaṁsa: They say if they feed them a special diet they have found it changes the cholesterol level in the beef, so if they eat it, they won't get heart attack like they used to. And it says, "The director of the National Heart Foundation, Ralph Reeder, said he believed the process was one of the most significant contributions in recent years toward controlling heart disease. 'It should not be taken lightly by skeptics. It is a world's first,' he said."
Amogha: Now they are also thinking that different types of meat cause cancer, not only heart disease but cancer.
Gaṇeśa: What have the scientists got to gain by bluffing?
Prabhupāda: Position. Material world means they want some material gain, some adoration, and some fame. That's all. This is material world. So if by bluffing you I get some material profit and adoration and fame, why shall I not do it? Everyone is doing that.
Amogha: That's the cheating propensity.
Prabhupāda: Yes. In material world they have come to imitate God—adoration, fame, material profit. Just like this man. He has come to this country. He is getting money, he is getting woman, and becoming God amongst the fools. He is satisfied. That's all. This is not gain? If I get woman, money, and adoration, is it not gain for me?
Gaṇeśa: Yes, just like Hiraṇyakaśipu.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Materialistic man means he wants all these things in different way. Somebody is becoming God, somebody is becoming philosopher, somebody is becoming scientist, in this way. Real purpose is these three things. Abha-pūjā-pratiṣṭhā. And our philosophy? We don't want anything of this. Just see. Negation. Na dhanaṁ na janaṁ na sundarīṁ kavitāṁ (Cc. Antya 20.29, Śikṣāṣṭaka 4). Say... All denial, "We don't want." That is Vaiṣṇavism. Then what do you want? "We want simply to serve Kṛṣṇa." This is our position. They don't want to serve Kṛṣṇa; they want to imitate Kṛṣṇa. And that is their satisfaction.