Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is it the spirit soul which is desiring or is it just karma?
Prabhupāda: The desiring... After desiring, there is karma. First of all willing.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: That is the soul.
Prabhupāda: Thinking, feeling, willing. What you think, you feel, and then you will, and Kṛṣṇa sanctions, that "Do it."
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So is the thinking material?
Prabhupāda: Material and spiritual also.
Passer-by: Hari bol!
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Just like this machine can be used for material and spiritual purpose. When it is being used for spiritual, it is spiritual. Otherwise, material.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Everything is Kṛṣṇa's energy.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So it can be used in either way.
Prabhupāda: Either way, yes.
Devotee (2): So our thinking and our feeling and our willing is the same. It can be either used in...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But some energy of Kṛṣṇa's cannot be used either way.
Prabhupāda: Hm? Everything can be used. What is the example, it cannot be used?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, I was thinking of Kṛṣṇa's internal energy.
Prabhupāda: No, internal energy, when it is perverted, that is material energy, when it is covered. Just like the sun. When it is covered, it is called cloud.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: I was thinking of just like Kṛṣṇa's pure devotees like Mother Yaśodā. They are always eternally remaining.
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)