Devotee (7): Prabhupāda, can a person go back to a spiritual planet without initiation?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee (7): Can a person go back to a spiritual planet. . .
Prabhupāda: No, there is no more init. . . Initiation here required when the living entity is in darkness. Just like uneducated person requires to go to school. One who is educated, in his full knowledge, he doesn't go.
Madhudviṣa: The question was, Prabhupāda, is it possible for a person to return to the spiritual world without taking initiation from a bona fide spiritual master?
Prabhupāda: No, that is not possible. Therefore Rūpa Gosvāmī said, ādau gurv-āśrayam (Brs. 1.1.74). First business is to accept spiritual master. Ādau gurv-āśrayam. Who will train him? He is already fool, rascal. He must be trained up. So he must be trained up by the representative of Kṛṣṇa.
Devotee (9): Is second initiation necessary, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Second or first initiation.
Devotee (9): Śrīla Prabhupāda, what are you saying? You said before there's no necessity for a spiritual master, and now you. . .
Paramahaṁsa: He said in the spiritual world there is no necessity.
Devotee (9): Oh, in the spiritual world.
Paramahaṁsa: Everyone is in full knowledge. In the material world everyone is in darkness.
Devotees: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda! Jaya Gaura Nitai! (break)
Paramahaṁsa: Śrīla Prabhupāda, it appears that there is a group of persons here in Australia who think, judging from the different questions that are being asked, they are thinking that it is not required to formally accept. . .
Prabhupāda: There are so many rascal svāmīs come. They say like that, "There is no need of guru."
Paramahaṁsa: Yeah, right. They think that Kṛṣṇa is in the heart, and you can accept initiation by that way.
Prabhupāda: You do not know where to find out Kṛṣṇa in the heart.