Indian man (1): When the Āryan civilization was there in the past, Swāmījī, were there also such kind of economic problems in the . . .?
Prabhupāda: There was no economic problem. Every time . . . Always this system is followed: cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭām (BG 4.13). And it is the duty of the government to see that this classification is properly being executed. That is the duty of the government. Secular state means that as you like, you can become. But if you claim to become a brāhmaṇa, you must act as a brāhmaṇa, not that you act as a śūdra, bhaṅgī, and also you are brāhmaṇa. No. That will not be allowed by the government.
Indian man (1): The purity must be there. (break)
Prabhupāda: Yes. In the whole world you won't find qualified brāhmaṇas. And they are required for guiding the human society. So therefore the human society is in chaotic condition. There is no guidance. The śūdras, they make things by vote. And what they'll vote? They're all rascals. What is the value of their votes? So that is going on all over the world. Fools and rascals they vote, and another vote is selected . . . er, another rascal is selected. And after some time—"Oh, he is not suitable. Get him down," Nixon, and replace another fool, rascal. Just see.
Indian man (1): That is continuously going on.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Going on. The democracy means the selector, the elector, they are all fools and rascals. So how he will select a person who is not rascal?
Indian man (1): Is it possible that every man's life is directed by God, and you're born to do certain things, and you come down to be prime minister or something?
Prabhupāda: Yes, there is something like that.