Prabhupāda: No, no. First thing is that when we speak of Bhagavad-gītā, it is spoken by Kṛṣṇa. So why there is no Kṛṣṇa photograph?
Guest (1): They didn't put the picture.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That means you have not understood Kṛṣṇa. Therefore your, this so-called Gītā society is not bona fide. At least even in ordinary feature, suppose if there is political meeting, you keep Gandhi, this photo, Jawaharlal Nehru's photo because they are the political leaders. You are preaching Bhagavad-gītā, Gītā Samītī, and there is not a single picture of Kṛṣṇa.
Guest (1): There is little misunderstanding, that Gītā Jayantī is for...
Prabhupāda: No, first of all answer me this question. Then you go to Gītā Jayantī. That, your Samītī is Gītā Samītī and there is not a single picture of Kṛṣṇa. Yes.
Guest (1): We don't know about that one.
Prabhupāda: You were not there present? Oh. That's not... I think you were present.
Guest (2): (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: This is misguided.
Guest (2): I never gone there, never been there.
Prabhupāda: This is misguided. That's all. Now, "Gītā Bhavan," and they have invited me because we are teaching Bhagavad-gītā, and that was Gītā's Jayantī—and the speaker of Gītā is not present? Therefore I say that there are so many places, here also. They are wrongly representing Bhagavad-gītā. So our position is to rectify that wrong propaganda of Bhagavad-gītā.
Guest (2): What is that wrong propaganda?
Prabhupāda: That is one of the instance. There are many instances, many instances, many instances. Just like Dr. Radhakrishnan. In the Ninth Chapter there is verse, man-manā bhava mad-bhakto mad-yājī māṁ namaskuru (BG 18.65). Radhakrishnan says, "It is not to the person Kṛṣṇa." Where he gets this nonsense idea?
Guest (1): No, that Vivekananda also has said.
Prabhupāda: They are all nonsense! Therefore I say they are all nonsense, who deviates from the original text of the Bhagavad-gītā.
Guest (2): Swamiji, by declaring other interpretation as nonsense...
Prabhupāda: Yes! You cannot interpret! First of all if you cannot interpret. First of all my proposal, that you cannot interpret.
Guest (2): We'll come to that, that you are not interpreting correctly, does not make me correct. I must be correct also to...
Prabhupāda: I am correct so long I present the correct thing, so long I am... If I present Kṛṣṇa as it is, then I am correct.
Guest (2): My solution, Swamiji, most respectfully, is how do you judge that "I am correct"?
Prabhupāda: Because I am presenting what Kṛṣṇa says. First of all you answer this: what is correct, the standard of correctness? You cannot create correctness. When Kṛṣṇa says this, man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ: "You just surrender unto Me; become My bhakta," how you can say, "It is not to Kṛṣṇa." This is not nonsense? If I say, "Give me a glass of..." Hear me. If I say, "Give me a glass of water," if you say, "It is not to Swamiji," is that interpretation?
Guest (1): I do not, and again I say...
Prabhupāda: No, no, first of all you answer me. If I say, "Give me a glass of water," and you say, "It is not to Swamiji."
Guest (1): (indistinct) ...what the Christ says, Mohammed says, everyone says, that...
Prabhupāda: Let them surrender to Christ. But why don't you surrender to Kṛṣṇa?
Guest (1): No, that is true, but...
Prabhupāda: That is true, but you do not know how.
Guest (1): No, you see, our... Even your... Even your way of thinking and your purpose is that Lord Kṛṣṇa should be Lord of the whole universe, so...,
Prabhupāda: Yes, Lord Kṛṣṇa is lord, universe.
Guest (1): Universe?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): So that is what you want to talk with me.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): In that case, you will have to satisfy everybody.
Prabhupāda: I am satisfying everybody. I am preaching that. But it is not possible... I am preaching in Europe. Christians, Mohammedans, Jews, they are surrendering to Kṛṣṇa. So I am doing my duty.
Guest (1): If I would be permitted, I would very humbly submit that...
Prabhupāda: You may not. You have not to surrender, you may bring some argument, but where I am preaching, they are surrendering.
Guest (1): You are doing a very wonderful work, there is no doubt about it, but the thing is that...
Prabhupāda: But you do not like that wonderful work.
Guest (1): ...judging duty of what we are doing, this is somebody else and not we ourself.
Prabhupāda: Now... What you... My point is that our society is clearly giving you the indication that we are preaching Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Guest (1): Every society has taken...
Prabhupāda: So that's all right. If you like this Kṛṣṇa philosophy, you are welcome. Otherwise you leave.
Guest (1): We have come here...
Prabhupāda: Because first of all see that you are...
Guest (1): If you reject...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Don't talk, all together. First of all you must know what is the truth. If your standard of truth is different and my standard of truth is different, then where is the use of talking nonsense? If you have any other truth than Kṛṣṇa, you be satisfied.
Guest (1): Seeking knowledge...
Prabhupāda: Seeking God is sufficient. If you take... First of all you know my position. Suppose...
Guest (2): I understand your position and I have from the beginning said most respectfully. I beg to submit and what my submission is that, as a seeker of knowledge, I come to you. Now...
Prabhupāda: No, no, that... Do you know what is the process of seeking knowledge? Do you know that?
Guest (1): No.
Prabhupāda: No, first of all answer me. You are seeking knowledge...
Guest (2): The thing is...
Prabhupāda: No, you also hear me. First of all let me know what is the process of seeking knowledge. You cannot make your own process.
Guest (2): The concepts have changed. You are making a change from the...
Prabhupāda: No, no. First of all you know that I am speaking from Bhagavad-gītā. Bhagavad-gītā says, tad viddhi praṇipātena (BG 4.34). Is it not? Tad viddhi praṇipātena. You have to surrender first of all.
Guest (2): Surrender to whom?
Prabhupāda: Anyone wherefrom you are seeking knowledge.
Guest (2): Ah! Surrender and...
Guest (1): You lose your identity.
Prabhupāda: Yes. First of all you have to find out a person where you can surrender. Then you can ask and you can seek knowledge. Otherwise there is no... Simply waste of time. Why should you waste your time? Why shall I waste my time? Are you surrendered to me? If you are not surrendered to me...
Guest (2): I, I...
Prabhupāda: No, no. Stop this. Just try to understand. If you are not surrendered to me you have no right to ask me anything.