Bhagavān: This class is very influential today, this cinema artist, performer. Whenever there's a Presidential race . . .
Prabhupāda: Just like George. What is his value? He's artist, that's all. From educational point of view, from other things view, he does not know anything. But he has got some money on account of his artistic payment, and he's big man, that's all. Somehow or other get money, you become a big man. There is no question of culture or anything. That is stated in the Bhāgavata. The money will be the criterion—no family, culture, education. These things will not be taken into account. If you have got money, then you are big man. Never mind what you are. Therefore people are after money. Who is going to be Brahmin? If you become a perfect Brahmin, who will care for you? Nobody is interested to become a Brahmin. "Why we shall become Brahmin, starve? For starvation?" Nowadays in the college, they're not interested in art, philosophy, English literature. No, they . . . nobody. They go for technical, how they will get more money. They do not want. Some of the doctor, professor, they came to request us to give our student. They are not getting student. And after few years they'll be all dismissed. Who will pay them? Hayagrīva told me, he's not getting any job. There is another, Mr. . . . Dr. Henderson. He's also not getting any job. He's selling incense. And Bon Mahārāja, his institute is suffering from the very beginning till now, simply begging, begging and paying, paying the professor. No student. First of all he started Vaiṣṇava philosophy, so doctorate, Ph.D. So especially in India, who is going to take Ph.D. in Vaiṣṇava philosophy and starve? So this is failure. It is already failure, but he is persistent.
Bhagavān: Therefore people are very surprised we are not starving.
Prabhupāda: Why we shall starve?
Bhagavān: We are not starving.