Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Although everyone is suffering, however, they think that "Because I am not suffering, everyone else is suffering, and that's okay." They're thinking that the miseries are only for others.
Prabhupāda: That is another ignorance. Everyone is dying. He is thinking, "I will not die." This is ignorance. (break) (referring to speeding car) He is running so fast unnecessarily.
Cyavana: He is trying to enjoy that machine.
Prabhupāda: Enjoy means another machine will strike, and his enjoyment will stop. There is ship, going fast. Where he will go fast?
Brahmānanda: Around the island.
Prabhupāda: Just like the dog. He goes fast here and there: "Gow! Gow!" (laughter) It is like that. He is going fast. Doggish mentality, that's all. All dogs and cats, no human being. This civilization means they are creating only dogs and cats, animals, go-kharaḥ, cows and asses. They are . . . we don't take them as human being. All animals.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Is that because they don't acknowledge that they're suffering?
Prabhupāda: So many things. So many things. The first ignorance is that accepting this body as self. Everyone.
Cyavana: The capitalists are so anxious for money that they exploit this tendency of the living entity to enjoy by tempting him. Every year they create some new way to entice him.
Prabhupāda: And taxation. And the taxation is divided amongst them. The tax is meant for public welfare. Instead of public welfare, they divide it amongst themselves and enjoy wine, women, motorcar and flesh. That's all. This is going on. All this income tax—plundering process. This income tax means a plan how to take away everything from the actually earning members of the society. That is income tax. And that is divided amongst administrators. That's all.
Cyavana: Here it is very prominent. The workers in the fields, they are barely making enough to live from day to day. But the planters, who live in France, they are taking millions of rupees and living very comfortably.
Prabhupāda: Therefore Communism is coming.
Cyavana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Go this way?
Cyavana: Is it this way? We can go this way. This way. Or better this way. (referring to car) Now he's coming the other way. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . . create another danger. Just like aeroplane. It is comfortable. You can quickly go from one place to another. But as soon as on the plane, immediately your life is at risk. There is no certainty. So this is the way of material world. You create some comfort and you create some greater danger also, side by side. It cannot be unhampered comfort. That is not possible. You create a motorcar—the same thing—you drive very speedy and you meet accident. Railway—the accident. There was no need. You produce your food locally and produce your milk. Then eat, drink, and live comfortably, chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. That is wanted. Make your life successful. Yad uttama-śloka-guṇānuvarṇanam (SB 1.5.22). And if you have got education, then describe the glories of the Lord by your scientific and educational qualification. (sound of rain) The rain is coming. We can go this way. Yad uttama-śloka-guṇānuvarṇanam. (break)
Brahmānanda: In the Bible there are so many things that were, about the world that were mistakes, and then, by their scientific knowledge, they found the real fact. Like they say the earth was flat . . .
Prabhupāda: Bible may be wrong, but we are talking generally. So if you are scientist, you can say the right thing. But why should you deny God?
Brahmānanda: Well, if the book of God has made mistake, then we don't have any faith . . .
Prabhupāda: Book of God . . . then throw it. Kick it out. But I say that you are scientist. How you can deny God? That is our proposal. The so-called book of God, you throw away. But you are scientist. How can you deny the existence of God? Why you are misleading? Bible misleading, that's all right. Why you are misleading? That is our point.
Cyavana: For so many centuries they took the Bible to be the authority.
Prabhupāda: All right, throw it away. You are scientist . . .
Cyavana: They won't.
Prabhupāda: You are a scientist. How you can deny God? Then what kind of scientist you are? The Bible has done wrong. Throw it away. I have no objection. But you are scientist. How you can deny God? And that is our point. Come to this logic that, "How we can deny God?" You are speaking that from chemical combination life is formed. Do it in the laboratory. You cannot do it. Why you are propagating false propaganda? What kind of scientist? Then you are also to be kicked out. If Bible is to be kicked out, you are also to be kicked out. Why you are claiming your position? You prove first of all. You combine chemical and produce a life. And you are making false propaganda, so you are to be kicked out. They say, "We shall do in future." And what is the future? Then why you are at present making false propaganda? Wait for the future. Post-dated check: "In future I shall pay," who will accept this check? Any nonsense will accept.
Brahmānanda: But this world is so imperfect . . .
Prabhupāda: The world is not imperfect; you are imperfect, rascal. You are rascal; you are imperfect. World is not imperfect.
Brahmānanda: Well, they have these cyclones. They come and . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes. Must come, because you are to be killed. You are rascal; you are to be killed. Therefore God has created cyclone. You protect yourself if you are scientist, if you have got power.
Cyavana: Because they are anxious for some . . .
Prabhupāda: Because God has created cyclone, therefore He is perfect because you are to be killed, blown away with your all paraphernalia, with your all scientific laboratory and instrument. Go. Go to hell. That is perfection.
Cyavana: They are eager to find a solution. Therefore they are forced to speculate because they have no other way . . .
Prabhupāda: No other way.
Cyavana: They have no other way to learn, unless they will accept Veda, which they won't accept.
(break) . . . sense gratification. They enjoy making so many theories.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Mano-ratha: "chariot of mind."
Cyavana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Mano-rathenāsati dhāvato bahiḥ (SB 5.18.12). By his chariot of the mind he will be driven to this material consciousness. (break) . . . spiritual knowledge. Therefore we see big, big scientists, they are thinking that combination of matter can produce life. In spite of so much advanced learning, they do not know what is life. They cannot create life; still, they will theorize. How foolish they are. And as soon as you catch his throat, "Produce life," "No, we shall do it in future." Just see.