Prabhupāda: Good benefits, yes. If you are assured of your food, shelter and necessities of life, then you will never grudge. That was the system.
Yogeśvara: Yeah, that's the difference. The Communists, they were thinking themselves exploited. Actually they were fearful, because they were thinking they would not get enough to eat. They wouldn't have enough protection.
Prabhupāda: Yes. No, not only that. The Communists . . . everyone has got different propensity. And I have seen in Moscow, you cannot get foodstuff to your selection. That is forced. If I go to the market, I can purchase to my taste, to my selection. But if I have to purchase from the government store whatever nonsense thing they will supply, I will have to accept it. Why? I want to eat something today. Why I will be forced to eat something else?
Bhagavān: That's not good?
Prabhupāda: That's not good.
Bhagavān: So in our community, when we grow things, or we have need of someone's services, how are these services distributed equally? Let's say we grow cauliflower, we grow peas, we grow wheat. Each family . . . is it that each family must be responsible and take only what he needs? How is it distributed?
Prabhupāda: No, no. These varieties . . . suppose you grow half a dozen different types of vegetable. So from this half a dozen you can make three dozen varieties, if you are a good cooker. So the varieties of enjoyment will be fulfilled. We have got some desire of different quality of varieties. That you can make. From milk, vegetable, grains, the three things, you can make three hundred varieties.
Bhagavān: But my question is, if the community produces . . . some class of men produce vegetables and grains, some class produce cows, some class produce clothes, some class produce necessities for building. How are these things distributed equally?
Prabhupāda: Because we are community, we shall distribute whatever necessity for everyone.
Bhagavān: They will come and say: "I need this much cloth, I need this much milk."
Prabhupāda: No, this much cloth . . . but if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then you will be satisfied with the minimum necessities of life. That is natural. You won't demand.
Yogeśvara: So actually such a program can only be successful proportionately with the rise of Kṛṣṇa consciousness of the people.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is the main basic principle. Without being Kṛṣṇa conscious, if you arrange like this, that will never be successful.
Yogeśvara: They won't be satisfied.
Prabhupāda: No.
Bhagavān: The kṣatriyas make sure that people are correct?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Bhagavān: The kṣatriyas make sure that people are acting correctly, that no one is taking more than what they need?
Prabhupāda: Naturally he will do. If you make him Kṛṣṇa conscious, if he attends the Kṛṣṇa conscious program, naturally he will do. Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi (CC Madhya 22.42). That is the progress of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He will be satisfied in any condition of life. That is progress of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. He doesn't require anything artificially. His main necessity is how to become Kṛṣṇa conscious. So if his attention is diverted in that way, these things will be not important.
Yogeśvara: So then we should begin our communities, our rural communities like New Vrindaban, and then by training up people in the cities, we can send them gradually, as thay are ready . . .
Prabhupāda: There will be no city. We don't want cities.
Bhagavān: What about our city temples?
Prabhupāda: No, no. For the time it may go on. But as we make progress, there will be no necessity. City means . . . for the present we have got. Because the city is there, we are there. But suppose the city is closed. We shall be there? If the city is closed, you still will be there?
Yogeśvara: No. But we can predict that the cities will go on for quite some time yet.
Prabhupāda: Yes, it will go on, but when they will see that your ideal community is better than city life, people will take to it. Paraṁ dṛṣṭvā nivartate (BG 2.59). When one gets a better standard of life, naturally he will give up the lower standard of life.