Prajāpati: . . . last hundred and fifty years, one of the major problems of Western theologians has been the relationship between reason and faith. They've been seeking to understand faith through reason, but they have not been able to come to any terms of the relationship between their reasoning abilities and faith. So there's been like a leap, almost a rejection of any kind of . . .
Prabhupāda: No. Just like we are walking on this street, so there is relation. This path is made for my walking. This is the relation with this road and myself. This is not made for . . . for animals also; but at least, we can take it is made for man. So for walking of man this road is made. So this is my relation. So in this way, everything you search out, you'll find out some relation. Is it not? Try to understand this first. Everything you take . . . just like here is a microphone. There is my relation: I talk, and it is recorded. So where is the difficulty to find out relationship with everything? Is there any difficulty?
Prajāpati: They see one, Śrīla Prabhupāda. The theologians perceive when they see that reason and faith are in two realms . . .
Prabhupāda: This is reason, that everything we are using, there is a relationship. How can you deny it? If I have got relationship with everything, then I have got some relationship with God also. Try to understand this fact. Hmm? Have you got relationship with God or not? If we have got relationship with everything of God's creation, then why not with God? Answer, any one of you. Why you are silent?
Hṛdayānanda: Because you're right, Prabhupāda.
Prabhupāda: (laughs) Hare Kṛṣṇa. We must have some relationship with God.
Karandhara: Basically what he's . . . their point is that they can only have faith in God. Their reason tells them there is no God.
Prabhupāda: There is no question of faith; it must be. Faith may be false. There must be. Because we have got relationship with everything, therefore ultimately everything is created by God.
Satsvarūpa: That requires faith.
Prabhupāda: It is not faith; it is fact. Faith may be wrong. Faith may be right or wrong, but fact is fact.
Karandhara: When they say fact, they mean what they can perceive through their senses, grossly.
Prabhupāda: Yes, with senses, senses. That is . . . our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement means that we have got relationship with God and senses, our senses. That is hṛṣīkeṇa hṛṣīkeśa-sevanaṁ bhaktir ucyate (CC Madhya 19.170). When the senses are engaged with the Supreme, in relationship, that is called bhakti. It is a question of senses. It is not vague. We apply everything. We go with our senses. Just like the leg, we go, take our legs to the temple. We use our tongue for glorifying, for eating the prasādam. Every senses. That is bhakti. It is not sensuous, but engaging the senses in the service of the proprietor of the senses.
Karandhara: But they say that's a faith.
Prabhupāda: That's not faith, that's fact.